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Me too. I started reading the thread and met with the WTH proclamation by Mathman but chose my battle of today as I continued reading. Another day, it'd be a different battle I choose.
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Me too. I started reading the thread and met with the WTH proclamation by Mathman but chose my battle of today as I continued reading. Another day, it'd be a different battle I choose.
Then he shouldn't have said skaters nowadays aren't doing split jumps in competitive programs any more.I'm just picking on ol' Kurt because this is the thread for picking on Canadian male skaters with phenomenal skating abilities.
Years ago every skater did a split jump in their program and Russian split jumps were very popular....Paul Wylie for example. They are rarely seen today. Because you seen one every now and then does not make Kurt's comment false. I have noticed in the past year or so that people are incorporating them back in to their programs along with moves like arabians.
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Come on, I was talking about LP only, which generates most controversies based on the posts I have read so far. I don't think many people complaining about his winning overall.
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FTnoona, thank you for posting all the links to the Men's LPs and making it easy for us to click on them 
I finally watched Daisuke and he was great, but I thought he seemed a little muted or distracted (perhaps he was focused on the technical?) compared to his usual self.
I re-watched Yuzuru and came to the conclusion that his LP is my second favourite of the Men's this season, with Patrick's edging him out for first (it's a little more sophisticated). Yuzuru's skating did slow a little in the middle, but it went with the music, and when the tempo increased again he kept up. There was also this moment that was lovely...when he did his 3Lz-2T, with his hands overhead on the 2T, and then they were brought down softly, just like a dancer's move. He was expressive throughout. I have no idea who his coach/choreographer Nanami Abe is, but she seems to be doing an awesome job with Yuzuru. He makes me think of him as a Japanese Jason Brown, except with quad and triple Axel.
I finally watched Daisuke and he was great, but I thought he seemed a little muted or distracted (perhaps he was focused on the technical?) compared to his usual self.
I re-watched Yuzuru and came to the conclusion that his LP is my second favourite of the Men's this season, with Patrick's edging him out for first (it's a little more sophisticated). Yuzuru's skating did slow a little in the middle, but it went with the music, and when the tempo increased again he kept up. There was also this moment that was lovely...when he did his 3Lz-2T, with his hands overhead on the 2T, and then they were brought down softly, just like a dancer's move. He was expressive throughout. I have no idea who his coach/choreographer Nanami Abe is, but she seems to be doing an awesome job with Yuzuru. He makes me think of him as a Japanese Jason Brown, except with quad and triple Axel.
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I wouldn't call posters casual fans.
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It does sound funny.
And going down the list, one pretty good triple Axel beat two pretty good triple Axels, one in combination with a triple toe.
And one 3Lz-hop-3S and a fall on a second triple Lutz attempt beat an average 3Lz+2T.
Add it all up and there you are!
Where I think CoP enthusiasts and ISU honchos are at fault is in blowing off the objections of the casual fans. Casual fans may not be experts but they know what they like. I do not see how the ISU thinks it can prosper if it continually dismisses the opinions of the paying customers.
Someone has to feed the kitty. Otherwise the ISU will have no choice but to raise dues on its membership, the national federations. These in turn will pass the charges along to grass roots club members and especially to the long-suffering parents. There is limit to how much even the most doting parent will shell out to indulge their children's fancies and whims. Many CoP apologists are so focussed on proving to everyone how "right" they are that they miss opportunities to expand the appeal of the sport.
Just my opinion, of course.
If Javier is being overmarked it is most likely because everyone is very excited about him. Certainly there is something to be excited about, but even justified excitement can cloud one's judgement.
If he is being overmarked for political reasons it would have nothing to do with the spanish fed and everything to do with the overall european contention. Brezina, Amodio, and Gachinski have all been less than stellar, so Javier may very well be (and definitely is now) seen as the european number one.
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Come on, this is beneath you. You know those later faults from Chan ate up his huge BV advantage, or should we say they ate his second flawed quad.
This has been discussed over and over and I wouldn't want to do it in this thread.
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That's right, I'm actually thinking of starting WW3 with Mathman over what he said earlier today.
I don't blame Kurt. He was just doing voiceover, reading the script that had been prepared for him.
Hey, I was on your side!
Kurt said that Patrick put his foot in his mouth and now had to regain the favor of the fans by being more circumspect in his press conferences, etc.
I say baloney. I don't think Patrick said anything out of line, I don't think he needed to explain anything or to clarify anything or to apologize to anyone or to undergo training in public relations. (I also think that Skate Canada should not have tried to explain, clarify, apologize, blah, blah, blah, either.)
Patrick said what he said. End of discussion. Never explain, never complain.
Chan's position should be, "If you don't like my apples, don't shake my tree."
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It means it is a reoccurring problem that hasn't been addressed by the ISU and sooner or later they will have to face it.
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I don't blame Kurt. He was just doing voiceover, reading the script that had been prepared for him.
*gasp* now you suggest he isn't saying what he believes, that he's just some script reader... you really want to just live in the dog house, don't you?
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Great post, as always. You again expose how ridiculous, stupid and hypocrite those 'smart' CoP apologists and Chan fanatics are.
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There were many places in Takahashi's brilliant dance program which I can find off the best interpretation. My standard was Takahashi's NHK LP.
This is a perfect example that casual fans are not seeing programs with CoP glasses. They are using more subjectivity than the judges in judging skating.
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I don't blame Kurt. He was just doing voiceover, reading the script that had been prepared for him.
Hey, I was on your side!
Kurt said that Patrick put his foot in his mouth and now had to regain the favor of the fans by being more circumspect in his press conferences, etc.
I say baloney. I don't think Patrick said anything out of line, I don't think he needed to explain anything or to clarify anything or to apologize to anyone or to undergo training in public relations. (I also think that Skate Canada should not have tried to explain, clarify, apologize, blah, blah, blah, either.)
Patrick said what he said. End of discussion. Never explain, never complain.
Chan's position should be, "If you don't like my apples, don't shake my tree."
Ahh, but he did complain, Mathman. That's what got him into all this trouble.
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I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. I ought to have learned the futility of raising this point, but somehow I can't help myself.
Every time out I am astonished anew at the arrogance of ISU apologists who tell me what is and is not beneath me, who tell me what I know and don't know, and who basically proclaim,
The CoP is doing well.
If you don't like it, go to h**l.
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If you want to get so personal, let's see who's the fanatic. In this thread, I wrote 3 posts concerning Chan's scores while you had about 10 posts slamming him and his fans. Do haters have more rights?
Wait, so it's not okay he won with mistakes. But it's okay others with mistakes? I don't know, EVERYONE made mistakes. PCS is always subjective, you don't see it, others do.
I find it's very funny that all the bitching and whining about the same thing over and over and over again and most people who complain seem to only count how many mistakes Chan makes, but nothing else.
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