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Canadian Ladies: Where do they go from here?

Many Canadian skaters cross the border to compete in Skate Detroit and Liberty, where there are very competitive final rounds. Hopefully, these skaters will continue to push themselves by seeking out challenging competitive environments. It is certainly to their benefit!

I noticed that it pretty much just junior and senior skaters who compete at Liberty. Given the different rules ( and the travel costs ) for skaters at novice and below, you don't see any novice and below Canadian skaters at Liberty.

More Canadian skaters from all levels do compete at Detroit. Detroit however is minimal cost travelwise to Western Ontario based skaters. Detroit is right beside Windsor, Ontario.

That is a very valid point, just wondering. Skaters should seek the competition instead of hoping for competition at a certain event. Regardless of final rounds or not, competitive skaters compete against the entire group, whether or not they are divided into 10 groups. There is alot of score matching at these events. They may not be on the same warmup ice, but competitive kids want to have the highest scores regardless of 1 group or 20.

Skaters have to branch out to competitions other than just regional, ie Quebec, Wildrose, BC. These competitions usually attract the same skaters every year. Some skaters may branch off to the neighboring province, but that is it until Sectionals. For the majority of skaters, Challenge is the first "travelling" competition of the year. Exposure to other competitions, adapting to travel, adapting to meals changing, etc are all part of development and succeeding.

One issue is that for novice levels and below, the Canadian rules are different from the American rules ( different requirements , program lengths etc ). That will keep many of the lower level skaters from doing that travel.

I know that skaters look at the scores of all flights not just the one they competed in. However , a fair comparison can't happen between the top scores when they were subjected to different callers and judges.

As well, in separate groups, the top skaters don't experience the direct pressure of having other skaters on the competition ice that can push them. Comparing scores to other top skaters in other groups is not the same thing.

So event finals are needed here in Canada at all levels. This is the only way that our ladies can get used to the pressure of international competition.
 
Why not bring your program requirements in line with US requirements at more developmental levels (Novice, Intermediate, Juvenile)? This would enable and (possibly) encourage developmental skaters to go to the bigger comps with FR in the US.
 
Why not bring your program requirements in line with US requirements at more developmental levels (Novice, Intermediate, Juvenile)? This would enable and (possibly) encourage developmental skaters to go to the bigger comps with FR in the US.

That is not a bad idea. It does not take away the need to make our own domestic competitions as competitive as possible to ensure a smoother transistion to the US competitions and hopefully other international competition down the road.

There are 2 problems with Canadian domestic competitions. They are a lack of event finals and poor scheduling. Many times the competitions are held the same week, diluting the fields. We need more competitions to be held before the deadline of the first JGP entry deadline ( ie 1 month before the 1st JGP ). You can have later competitions ( bigger ones ) to focus on the senior B's and later JGP's. It is not abnormal in various years for the 2 biggest summer comps ( Quebec and Thornhill ) to be held in the same week. That is insanity.

I would put the following competitions before the 1st JGP. Wild Rose ( Alberta ), , Minto ( Eastern Ontario ) . Minto must not be held in the same week as the Lake Placid ice dance ( as Minto traditionally always has a strong dance field). I would also hold Quebec earlier as that is usually the stronger pair competition ( but not the same week as Minto obviously )

Prairie skate ( MB ) and Summer Sizzle ( Western Ontario ) are minor competitions and more open scheduling can take place. Obviously summer sizzle should not be held at the same time as Detroit ( obvious reasons ; it is very easy for Western Ontario skaters to get to Detroit ).

BC summer skate ( BC/Yukon ) and Thornhill could be held later. That ensures that there is at least an early and a late competition both in eastern and western Canada.
 
Amelie Lacoste has received the Salt Lake City Senior B. Is there a limit to how many ladies can be assigned to this event?
 
Amelie Lacoste has received the Salt Lake City Senior B. Is there a limit to how many ladies can be assigned to this event?


Canada can send 2 ladies to Salt Lake City. In general a country ( not the host ) can send 2 entries per discipline to a senior B.

Surprised SC has not sent a 2nd lady. I would expect Najarro, Charbonneau, Descantis to get senior B's to fight for the TBA slot at Skate Canada. Perhaps SC is first making them fight for the 2 Nebelhorn slots. SC has traditionally rated Nebelhorn as more important than the other senior B's.
 
I am surprised that SC didn't send another lady with the competition being in the US. So there is one lost placement so far this year. I am sure we could have filled the spot with Osmond, Charbonneau, or Desanctis. I didn;t include Najarro who has struggled so much internationally. Will be interesting to see what SC does with the remaining 3 Senior B's - Nebelhorn, Finlandia, Ondrej Nepela (Listed on SC website).
 
With all the summer comps practically completed, and JGP and Senior B about to start, who do you think are the ladies leading the way. Has Osmond shown that last year was not a one time skate? Is she the front runner right now to win nationals? Lacoste hasn't done a short program in competition yet an looks like first time will be at US Senior B. Is this a good decision? Seguin, Daleman, and Chartrand received the first 3 JGP. Seem to be good selections if they can hold the nerves together. Najarro hasn't competed this year. Is she injured? Phaneuf was injured. Anyone know if she is back on ice? And rounding out national team is Desanctis. She skated at Detroit and lost to Daleman at Thornhill. Will we see her move up this year or will she begin to fade? And finally Samson. She looked like she was having problems at Quebec Summerskate. Can she return to form?
 
I heard through the grapevine DeSanctis cut her hand badly during her LP..I don't know which element caused this but i'm assuming it was during her layback..I know someone in attendance watcthing and said there was blood on her hand, arm, tights...so I don't know the extent of her injury. This probably affected her performance..Any info?
 
I heard through the grapevine DeSanctis cut her hand badly during her LP..I don't know which element caused this but i'm assuming it was during her layback..I know someone in attendance watcthing and said there was blood on her hand, arm, tights...so I don't know the extent of her injury. This probably affected her performance..Any info?

Sorry to hear about Adrianna. Hope she is ok.
 
kaetlyn Osmond to Nebelhorn? I'm a little surprised. Is SC sending anyone to the other two Senior B competitions? Is this a way for Kaetlyn to acrue more points? Will SC send another lady to Skate Canada? Any info to clarify?
 
Hi Mariposa, not totally sure what SC are doing. The entry list for the Ondrej Nepela Trophy are listed on their website. No ladies or pairs there from Canada. Any International competition for our ladies would be beneficial. SC left a spot open at SLC Senior B. Last year only V/M went to Finlandia. I know SC could only send 1 to Nebelhorn. I assume Osmonds assignment is to get on the Senior International scene before SCI in October. But SC could have sent a second to SLC. Perhaps they are thinking they have to send Amelie to a Senior B before SCI, but are really concentrating on the younger skaters. Perhaps they have lost hope in Najarro, Charbonneau, and Grenier. Perhaps they didn't want Osmond and Lacoste to go head to head at SLC before SCI. Seems like they are fixed on a couple of Seniors.
 
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Perhaps they have lost hope in Najarro, Charbonneau, and Grenier. Perhaps they didn't want Osmond and Lacoste to go head to head at SLC before SCI. Seems like they are fixed on a couple of Seniors.

I think this hits the mark on what SC is doing. I think SC is focusing on the likes of Osmond with skaters on the JGP being the next ones.

Najarro had knee surgery so is likely not to be ready this year. I am sure SC would also be wary of her poor international history.

Charbonneau has not skated well this summer.

Grenier did scored high enough to meet the minimum score by SC standards in Quebec but a close look at the protocols shows her only clean triple was the salchow. She also has a history of collapsing internationally ( struggled at all her JGPs and failed to make it out of qualifying at JW ).

I would not be surprised if one or more of Daleman , Seguin or Chartrand make the national team or even podium.
 
Not sure what Seguin will do. She is not forced to go Senior. I am thinking she will complete this season as a Junior.
 
Seguin had a decent start for her first JGP. But did anyone else think she was slow? Especially spins. But decent start and good luck in long today
 
Just a bit off subject but still all Canadian...I haven't heard anything of Cynthia Phaneuf for a while. Hoping she's on the road to recovery and will be ready for nationals..Any info?
 
It has been very quiet regarding Phaneuf. Be interesting to see if she is at the SC High Performance Camp next weekend
 
did Makarova applied Canadian Citizenship already ?
I believe you've posted this before elsewhere and I don't know why - she and her parents have no ties to Canada, as far as I know.

Charbonneau has not skated well this summer.
Kate has had some good performances in summer competitions - 91.63 in final round FS at Skate Detroit in late July and 49 something in her SP at Minnesota State Championships earlier this month. She has two programs choreographed by Tom Dickson and I think she is skating more expressively to the music this season, from what I've seen.
 
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