Well as far as i read Chapis comment, she never mentioned that yuna fell 4 times, you yourself have come to that conclusion. When chapis stated kim was the female version of patrick Chan she probably meant that the judges always favor her, no matter what she deliverers, her PCS score always remains the same just like Patrick Chan(just think of 2010 worlds fs). seeing the inflation she got at vancouver was the biggest indication of how set the judges where on giving her the gold, even if she were to make BIG mistakes. of course it's not her fault that she received those crazy scores, but the fact that the judges favor Kim is no hidden secret. so being worried about is only natural part of being a fan.
Name a single competition where Yu-Na has won a competition controversially. PCS has never made a difference in her overall placement (she would've placed the same, or sometimes even higher, had you judged the competition solely based on the technical score). Unlike with Patrick Chan, you won't be able to, because she never has. She lost 2010 Worlds. She has never won a close competition where it could have gone her way and where a little advantage in PCS would have given her the win. She lost 2011 Worlds, she lost 2008 GPF, she lost 2008 Worlds. The margin separating her and the victor was about 2 points each time, and the judges could've given her the win via PCS, but they never did. Her placements and victories have all been based first off the technical mark. Oh, so she did win the 2010 Worlds FS and 2008 GPF SP--not a big deal, since the overall placement was correct. Had Mao properly rotated her triple axel in the 2010 Worlds FS and her 3/3 in the GPF SP to begin with, she would have won those segments, but since she cheated the jumps but landed it with the appearance of being clean, her fans believe the performance was better than it was, and remain outraged that she lost technical points and didn't win that segment of the competition. But she still won overall, so I just don't understand the outrage.
You have a very selective memory as you don't recall the numerous competitions where Mao has had meltdowns, damaging her technical score, but the judges' high PCS "favored" Mao "no matter what she delivers." Mao has had far, FAR more meltdowns than Yu-Na, but still gotten high PCS, so basically, she's more comparable to Patrick Chan than Yu-Na is. (To a certain extent, btw, Mao, Yu-Na, and Patrick DO deserve relatively high PCS even when their performance has errors, but I find it highly unfair to focus on Yu-Na and Patrick but leave out Mao. And Yu-Na has had the fewest meltdowns out of the three of them.)
Can you say the same about Mao, that PCS has never made a difference in her placements? You won't be able to, because I've done the math, and PCS has helped Mao by compensating for a lower technical mark. So your and chapis's insinuations are dead wrong--it's Mao whose performance doesn't seem to matter, no matter how many mistakes she makes, she benefits from high PCS and the judge's benevolence, not Yu-Na. (Don't understand your complaint about inflation at Vancouver--Yu-Na was perfect, she got a perfection bonus; other skaters weren't perfect, but they got inflated scores as well.)
The same argument that you make about Yu-Na's PCS can legitimately be made about Mao, so I would be very careful about slandering Yu-Na the way that you do (as you've been doing throughout this thread and in numerous posts). In fact, Yu-Na has never fallen 4 times or made errors on 4 jumping passes with her PCS remaining sky high. Oh, wait, but let's look at Worlds 2012--Mao Asada made errors on 4 jumping passes (5 if you count the flutz call), and her PCS was second only to Caroline Kostner's. That's a FACT. Her technical score was the lowest of the
top 13 ladies skaters in the FS, but her PCS was so high, it helped her place a more respectable 6th in the FS.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2012/WC2012_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf
Then there is the thing with the JP fed, you know i have never felt that there was such a useless federation like the jp one, they really don't know how to promote there skaters at all, if one wants to have have a good promoter i think Orser would be the perfect one for that job.
The JP Fed managed to get the ISU to break tradition by allowing senior ladies to attempt a 3A in the SP as the solo axel jump, when only one lady in the world was capable of doing so, giving that ONE lady an enormous competitive advantage over the rest of the field. This was discussed in detail on this forum. Unlike with the men, allowing them to do a quad in the SP as the solo jump did not give any one man an advantage because there were numerous contenders capable of landing a quad. But the same cannot be said for the ladies. That rule change was an obvious result of the JSF's influence and evidence. It was unfair, corrupt, and appalling. And Mao HAS benefited from this rule this quad. You may consider them useless, but they are certainly not powerless.
I really hope this threads topic remains the topic that is discussed, and with this we close the Mao/Yuna discussion.
Here are some on-topic, relevant facts for you. Who is the last Olympic ladies silver medalist to win Gold at the following Olympics? Sjoukje Dijkstra, 1964.
Who was the most recent ladies Olympic medalist to
improve upon their placement at their next Olympics? Nancy Kerrigan, who won bronze in 92 and then won silver in 94 (special case since those Olympics only came 2 years after). That's it. Other medalists--Michelle Kwan and Irina Slutskaya--dropped from silver to bronze at their next Olympics. Lu Chen managed to repeat bronze (but she was a mess in 1998).
Who were the most recent ladies skaters who didn't medal at their first Olympics, but improved upon their placement at their next Olympics, winning a medal? Sasha Cohen, Irina Slutskaya, Shizuka Arakawa, and Joannie Rochette competed at multiple Olympics, came away without a medal at their first, but later won a medal(s). However, it should be noted that they had not yet reached the peak of their career at their first Olympics. After their first Olympics, they continued to rise, moved into the prime of their careers, and got better international results that preceded their Olympic medal wins. Shizuka won 2004 Worlds before winning 2006 Olympics; Joannie got her first world medal in 2009 ahead of her 2010 bronze, etc.
What does this all mean? Well, basically, history is against Mao as she tries to improve upon her placement from the 2010 Olympics to the 2014 Olympics. Unlike the Sasha, Irina, Shizuka, and Joannie examples, Mao hasn't had the best results of her career in this Olympic quad. You can say a lot of things about what has changed about her skating, but are the results better or similar to what they were in the last Olympic quad, when she was considered a contender for the gold? No, they are not. In fact, if you took out the name "Mao Asada" and looked at her results over the past two years, would you argue that the skater who has placed 6th at Worlds consecutively, 2nd at 4CCs twice, the winner of one GP and silver medalist at another GP (out of 4 GP events), is a contender for the next Olympic gold?
Still, anything can happen, after all, this is a sport in which Sarah Hughes is an Olympic champion. It's not over till it's over, and there's still time left. But if Mao wants to be
perceived as the favorite for the Olympic gold (and perception is a powerful thing in the sport of skating), then her international results need to improve ASAP. 4 years ago, if you mentioned to skating fans that Mao Asada had just lost the Japan Open to Ashley Wagner (she placed
16th at 2008 Worlds), they would have been shocked. But it's a sign of how perception--and many other things--has changed that starting off the season with a 2nd place for Mao is actually perceived as a good beginning.
I am sure some or many will disagree. Don't get me wrong I like Mao a lot but I am just trying to be objective. Still I do believe for some reason she could pull off Oly gold - just not as strong of a ping as before.
and yuna doesn't have a STORNG FED to help her. 
you're acting like mao is the only one who is doing her best and other skaters are not. with the new rule under cop, yuna cannot do her usual 2/3 in free skate anymore without the 3loop which is her least favorite jump. it was mao and her team who decided to focus on 3A and forgot about the other jumps.
the fact that yuna did not win the 2010 worlds doesn't mean the judges are favoring her. we can all argue about the free skate but the fact that she didn't win her 2nd world title. chan won even when he falls 4 times. yuna never in her entire career won with 4 mistakes. check your facts straight. and regarding the Vancouver olympics, well all the skaters' scores that night were inflated. even mao's scores was inflated when she had 2 mistakes in the free skate. but it doesn't change the fact that yuna beat asada fair and square. 
