Lack of flexibility to replace withdrawn skater in Grand Prix - Your thoughts?

chuckm · Nov 16, 2012

Wagner is the seeded skater at TEB for having finished 5th at Worlds 2012. Like it or not, she gets high PCS scores for her crisp presentation.

Osmond was the 10th place finisher at 2012 JW, and in her first GP SP she scores a 60 with 7s in PCS? When does that happen? When a Canadian skater skates on home ice, that's when. At the TEB SP, Elena Glebova landed the exact same jumps as Osmond and received 52 points, with 5s and 6s in PCS.

Jammers · Nov 17, 2012

Wagner is a far superior all around skater compared to Osmond.

bellafurr · Nov 17, 2012

Well she should be she's seven years older and still doing the easy jumps in her short program.

chuckm · Nov 17, 2012

Wagner also skated a clean FS. Osmond did not and has not yet done so.

Mathman · Nov 17, 2012

NMURA said:
At this point, Osmond is an actual threat to Gao, Zawadzki, Nagasu, Tuktami, et al. It's quite apparent that JSF wants to keep on good terms with Russia and USA than Canada.

Wait a minute. WallyLutz just told us that it was Skate Canada that the Japanese Federation had to cozy up to. Has the Japanese Federation switched over to the USA-Russia axis, then?

It is not easy to see why the Japanese Federation would care one way or the other whether Zawadski, Nagasu, or Tuktamisheva grabbed that last spot in the GP final.

ImaginaryPogue said:
I think the ISU just needs to get over itself and go back to twelve single skaters.

I think what the ISU has to get over is the lack of money to run a full program.

dorispulaski · Nov 17, 2012

I think that the Japanese Federation is just exercising its option to save money by not filling the final slot. They have to pay the airfare, hotel, and food for any skaters invited from the time of the first practice to the day after the Gala. There is no reason they would pay exorbitant rates for planes close to departure time unless they were getting someone that would be a huge crowd draw in Japan (raise more in ticket sales than they would cost to fly, feed and house) If Alissa had dropped out 14 or more days before the team leader's meeting, Japan would have been required to fill the slot.

After that? Not.

bigsisjiejie · Nov 17, 2012

Lots of whining by the Canadians, methinks. Suck it up, fans. There's no conspiracy here. You seem to be more upset about the lack of a second GP than Osmond herself. If Osmond's really that good, she'll clean up at 4CC and Worlds.

But I do agree with the premise of the thread, that there could and should be a better system for assigning replacement skaters.

Mrs. P · Nov 17, 2012

dorispulaski said:
I think that the Japanese Federation is just exercising its option to save money by not filling the final slot. They have to pay the airfare, hotel, and food for any skaters invited from the time of the first practice to the day after the Gala. There is no reason they would pay exorbitant rates for planes close to departure time unless they were getting someone that would be a huge crowd draw in Japan (raise more in ticket sales than they would cost to fly, feed and house) If Alissa had dropped out 14 or more days before the team leader's meeting, Japan would have been required to fill the slot.

After that? Not.

And as I said somewhere (there are way too many threads on this topic), it is so difficult to get tickets from NHK Trophy that Japanese fans actually travel elsewhere to go to see their favorite skaters... so they are definitely not lacking or need a huge crowd draw. They did that by having Takahashi and Hanyu at the same event as well as Mao and Akiko in the Ladies. Also D/W has become quite popular in Japan thanks to doing shows, so there's the draw in Ice Dance.

chloepoco · Nov 17, 2012

dorispulaski said:
I think that the Japanese Federation is just exercising its option to save money by not filling the final slot. They have to pay the airfare, hotel, and food for any skaters invited from the time of the first practice to the day after the Gala. There is no reason they would pay exorbitant rates for planes close to departure time unless they were getting someone that would be a huge crowd draw in Japan (raise more in ticket sales than they would cost to fly, feed and house) If Alissa had dropped out 14 or more days before the team leader's meeting, Japan would have been required to fill the slot.

After that? Not.

Thank you; I was getting a bit tired of reading all the conspiracy theories, stated as if they were facts.

NMURA · Nov 17, 2012

Now, Tuktami is likely to grab the last spot for GPF. Very good for the GPF host! The Osmond issue is closed.

spikydurian · Nov 17, 2012

bigsisjiejie said:
Lots of whining by the Canadians, methinks. Suck it up, fans. There's no conspiracy here. You seem to be more upset about the lack of a second GP than Osmond herself. If Osmond's really that good, she'll clean up at 4CC and Worlds.

But I do agree with the premise of the thread, that there could and should be a better system for assigning replacement skaters.

The whinging and conspiracy theory on Osmond's win in SC did not arise from the Canadians.

dorispulaski · Nov 17, 2012

No, but the whinging & conspiracy theories about why the rules aren't being rewritten and bent on the fly to give her a second GP are certainly being done by Osmond fans. They were only equalled by whinging from fans that wanted Mirai Nagasu at a second GP.

Not to mention Misha Ge fans.

Mathman · Nov 17, 2012

Mirai can still make it, right? Get second at NHK with a huge score? :yes:

Tonichelle · Nov 17, 2012

dorispulaski said:
No, but the whinging & conspiracy theories about why the rules aren't being rewritten and bent on the fly to give her a second GP are certainly being done by Osmond fans. They were only equalled by whinging from fans that wanted Mirai Nagasu at a second GP.

Not to mention Misha Ge fans.

not all fans... I'm not whining...

chuckm · Nov 17, 2012

NMURA said:
Now, Tuktami is likely to grab the last spot for GPF. Very good for the GPF host! The Osmond issue is closed.

Perhaps. Tuktamysheva has 22 points and Lipnitskaia has 24. If Asada and Suzuki finish 1-2 at NHK (in any order), both Russian ladies could make the GPF.

chuckm · Nov 17, 2012

wallylutz said:
Yeah, it's kind of funny some people talk about home ice inflation for Osmond as though it's fact, and supposedly from Americans who have - more like, "had" positive views of her - that is until, it becomes clear she could beat every single American woman out there even this year.

Not quite. At TEB, Wagner scored 15 points higher than Osmond's SC score, and Ashley wasn't on home ice.

Mathman · Nov 17, 2012

Now, see, if the Japanese Federation was really smart they would invite Osmond at the last minute and let her get third. That would knock out Tuktamishiva and give Asada and Suzuki a better chance to win the GP final. :yes:

chuckm · Nov 17, 2012

dorispulaski said:
No, but the whinging & conspiracy theories about why the rules aren't being rewritten and bent on the fly to give her a second GP are certainly being done by Osmond fans.

It isn't as if JSF hasn't accommodated Skate Canada in other ways. They picked Rogozine for an original invitation when he wasn't in the top 24 on ISU World Ranking OR top 24 on the SB scores list.

emdee · Nov 17, 2012

wallylutz said:
Yeah, it's kind of funny some people talk about home ice inflation for Osmond as though it's fact, and supposedly from Americans who have - more like, "had" positive views of her - that is until, it becomes clear she could beat every single American woman out there even this year. To rvi5's point, Osmond hasn't yet skated clean and is far from her full potential still. Yet, she is getting score that with the exception of Yuna Kim, every other woman competing has to take notice. If they firmly believe those scores were inflated, then they should have invited her to the NHK, with jet lag and all, she may not skate that well. If anything, her SP score were undermarked seriously for what she did because she was the first to skate. Compared to Ashley Wagner whose SP at TEB, doing a Triple toe-double toe combo and only a Triple Loop for her 2nd jump yet getting a 62, I feel like we are back in 1982, not 2012. :sarcasm: Speaking of inflation, that 62 is a true inflated score. If Wagner is not American, she would be no where near that kind of score for such medicore skate - not only the jumps were easy, they were shaky too. I guess that is what they are trying to protect yet I haven't seen any threads or calls for an investigation of the TEB scoring of the ladies events, like a bunch we saw after SCI. Talking about double standards...

Way to go Wallylutz! As you know we Canadians are a polite and non interfering bunch... I was told by one American that her travel knapsack had a Canadian flag so that she would be more acceptable around the world!

emdee · Nov 17, 2012

chuckm said:
Not quite. At TEB, Wagner scored 15 points higher than Osmond's SC score, and Ashley wasn't on home ice.

Osmond is a kid in her first senior season compared to Wagner who is a veteran.

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