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It wasn't his decision. Naomi ended the partnership and quit amateur skating.pennyfromheaven said:
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Tchernyshev to apply for Canadian Citizenship
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Thanks for the article, Gkelly. It does say that Naomi was interested in Dance and that Peter went after her.
"After Peter spotted Naomi at the 1996 U.S. Nationals and later found out she was without a partner, he wrote to her expressing his interest in forming a partnership, and they auditioned in Lake Placid, New York." That clears up the matter that he went after her. It was for dance and probably to remain in the US.
It also said he came to America with his former wife, but it does not say anything about work in America. I thought maybe he was the son of a diplomat and that was why he came to America.
It seems to me that Peter did not want to return to Russia and that he was going to skate dance in the US and now Canada. I don't have any problem with this. But as I said before, the immigration laws in any country are there to be followed and he should not be an exception. Look what happened to AP without the visa.
Joe
"After Peter spotted Naomi at the 1996 U.S. Nationals and later found out she was without a partner, he wrote to her expressing his interest in forming a partnership, and they auditioned in Lake Placid, New York." That clears up the matter that he went after her. It was for dance and probably to remain in the US.
It also said he came to America with his former wife, but it does not say anything about work in America. I thought maybe he was the son of a diplomat and that was why he came to America.
It seems to me that Peter did not want to return to Russia and that he was going to skate dance in the US and now Canada. I don't have any problem with this. But as I said before, the immigration laws in any country are there to be followed and he should not be an exception. Look what happened to AP without the visa.
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Joesitz said:
He IS out of Russia, has been for a while... having US citizenship does not mean he's in Russia so I can't see that as an excuse...
I also think that both should focus on career... ESPECIALLY since Shae was supposedly broken hearted when Victor "left" their partnership after she went for one more season on the competitive curcuit... It leaves me wondering why she was so upset when she's no willing to compete again. It's not like they couldn't get pro deals with SOI or at least CSOI...
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Not sure what you mean as an excuse? Excuse of what?Tonichelle said:
My point is that he does not want to go back to Russia and skate dance. I am sure he still has Russian citizenship. Russia has the most skaters interested in Dance, and possibly the best coaches which he will need with a new partner.
Joe
Peter did compete dance for 2 seasons in Russia (i don't know the name of his Russian partner) but he left Russia after the Soviet Union broke up, for financial reasons, when Sophia Eliazova had gone to Russia to search for a partner. I'm not 100% sure of this, but i don't think he does have Russian Citizenship anymore.
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His wife at the time, Natalia Annenko, was a professional with her partner, Genrikh Sretenski. I think him following her into the US because they are legally married was how he got here...Joesitz said:
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Tchernyshev was married to Annenko. She was several years older than he & that is how he entered the US. I know nothing about his early years in the US & assume that Natalia supported him. Sretinski was married to another woman, never to Annenko. I'm beginning to get the impression that PPT "hitches his wagon to a star."
I wish someone would clarify the citizenship issue. My understanding of dual citizenship is that you must be born in one country ....I'll use my son-in-law as an example. He was born in Germany. His mother is a German citizen & his father is an American citizen. At the age of 18, he was given the following choices: to claim dual citizenship or to give up citizenship in one country or the other. He chose to give up his German citizenship. To claim dual citizenship outside of the country of your birth you must have a parent or grandparent who is/was a citizen of another country. Exactly what does the swearing in process involve in a citizenship procedure? I tho't you swore loyalty & allegience to your new country? I didn't realize you could shed citizenships like dirty clothes. I always tho't it was a serious decision, not one to be made just so you could possibly compete in the Olympics? Having said all of that, I doubt if this partnership will last.
I wish someone would clarify the citizenship issue. My understanding of dual citizenship is that you must be born in one country ....I'll use my son-in-law as an example. He was born in Germany. His mother is a German citizen & his father is an American citizen. At the age of 18, he was given the following choices: to claim dual citizenship or to give up citizenship in one country or the other. He chose to give up his German citizenship. To claim dual citizenship outside of the country of your birth you must have a parent or grandparent who is/was a citizen of another country. Exactly what does the swearing in process involve in a citizenship procedure? I tho't you swore loyalty & allegience to your new country? I didn't realize you could shed citizenships like dirty clothes. I always tho't it was a serious decision, not one to be made just so you could possibly compete in the Olympics? Having said all of that, I doubt if this partnership will last.
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ITA, merrywidow - It seems to me like he is shedding citizenships like dirty clothes. First he gives up Russia because he followed a former wife, Annenko -a former pro skater, to the US. While in the US, he divorces Annenko, and looks for a US skating partner and at the same time, he receives US citizenship. After losing his US skating partner he wants to be a Canadian citizen where the grass is now greener (not to mention a chance to skate with a world champion!.) This could be worked into a movie of mores Call it Tchernechev's Travels.
I worked in an organization where dual citizenships were plentiful. The rule is one of the citizenships must be the country of birth; the other one must give strong evidence that you deserve it. In the US, I believe a female who has legitimate dual citizenships can retain them through life. A male, must renounce his birth citizenship at 21, I'm not sure if this rule applies today.
I don't know Russia's or Canada's rules on dual citizenships, so I don't know if Peter retains his Russian citizenship. I do know if he takes Canadian citizenship, he then loses US citizenship.
Peter is aware of all this and he does 'hitch his wagon to a star". And why not?
Joe
I worked in an organization where dual citizenships were plentiful. The rule is one of the citizenships must be the country of birth; the other one must give strong evidence that you deserve it. In the US, I believe a female who has legitimate dual citizenships can retain them through life. A male, must renounce his birth citizenship at 21, I'm not sure if this rule applies today.
I don't know Russia's or Canada's rules on dual citizenships, so I don't know if Peter retains his Russian citizenship. I do know if he takes Canadian citizenship, he then loses US citizenship.
Peter is aware of all this and he does 'hitch his wagon to a star". And why not?
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I remember in the interview fluff piece they did with Naomi and Peter before the Olympics Peter specifically stated that he had tears in his eyes when he gave up his Russian citizenship to become American. So that means that he no longer has Russian citizenship. Also, contrary to the information that was all over the media when Naomi and Peter split; the split was not Naomi's idea. The information given to the media came from Naomi and Peter's agent and it was not the truth about the situation.
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If Peter T. takes his American citizenship that lightly, then I think he's a dope. In addition, he won't qualify unless he's moved to the head of the line and some of the requirements are wavied, and that isn't fair to others. I find the whole idea of expediting citizenship applications for sports considerations to be corrupt. Besides I have a feeling that Shae Lynn only wants to compete again to get even with Victor, who dumped her when he thought their competing days were over, since he didn't share her touring ambition, but kept silent until he shocked her by walking out. If this is Shae Lynn's way of dishing out some payback, then is Peter stupid to let himself be used in this manner. Or as some have suggested, did he dump Naome to try to hook up with Shae Lynn? Does citizenship mean anything to him at all, or is he an just an opportunist?
I'd welcome them as a PRO dance pair, but with all this citizenship stuff etc. I won't be thrilled to see them competing for Canada or the USA. Wouldn't it be funny if they go through all that and then don't make the Canadain World or Olympic team, and wind up skating PRO anyway?
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I'd welcome them as a PRO dance pair, but with all this citizenship stuff etc. I won't be thrilled to see them competing for Canada or the USA. Wouldn't it be funny if they go through all that and then don't make the Canadain World or Olympic team, and wind up skating PRO anyway?
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I wish there didn't HAVE to be this fuss over citizenship. Surely as long as one of the partners is a citizen, does it matter if they both are? I agree with having to sit out a season if you change countries, but surely one should be able to dance (or pairs skate) and compete with whomever one choses- a good partnership is hard to find in any country.
But if the rules are as they are, then people will do what they have to do- and if that means changing citizenship, then more power to them. The fault is in the rules, not in the people- would Peter change his citizenship if he could dance with Shae and compete? I doubt it.
But if the rules are as they are, then people will do what they have to do- and if that means changing citizenship, then more power to them. The fault is in the rules, not in the people- would Peter change his citizenship if he could dance with Shae and compete? I doubt it.
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Well no of course he wouldn't change his citizenship if he could keep it and compete with SL, there would be no need! But that's the point, the citizenship means nothing to him, it is only the skating that's important and winning that Olympic medal at any cost.
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ITA penny from heaven - He doesn't care about his citizenship. It is only skating he cares for. This is obvious. Skating is the only thing he knows and since he broke up with Naomi he will try to get SL as a partner, and giving up the US citizenship is a minor detail.
The rules of the Olympics are the rules and the rules of a country's citizenship are the rules. After reading some of the posts, it appears Peter had the option to remain with Naomi, but his intent on dropping her was there before the Nats.
Will Peter be happy when he's forty?
Joe
The rules of the Olympics are the rules and the rules of a country's citizenship are the rules. After reading some of the posts, it appears Peter had the option to remain with Naomi, but his intent on dropping her was there before the Nats.
Will Peter be happy when he's forty?
Joe
I'm not a huge dance fan, nor am I a Petr T fan.. But.. After reading what his plans with Bourne were, I had to sit back and think a bit... At first, as an American, I felt this was slap in the face.. Then, I asked myself, is it really? I continued to read on other fans and non fans comments about his decision. I thought.. Ok.. Freedome of choice, (it's the American way) Back and forth, I went.. I am starting to ask is he just an opportunist/user, like most of us who want to get a head.. 
I was thinking if ESPN or the American news cared enough to report on his decision, replay that fluff where he was kind of emotional about finally becoming an American, after so long.. Would the American guy who will watch ESPN faithfully, and the American citizens who watch the news feel he lied and that he really did not mean what he said in that interview about becoming an American. .. :\ I'm just curious. I am aware of how people would think, or be mis lead or misunderstand when a person comes to this country emotionally before the cameras makes it seem this was what he worked so hard to become, then, changes to a different country so soon.. .
I see the many faults about my beloved country, but I also see and know the many many best things about my country.. I love my country and am not sure how I feel about what he's doing.. I am not his fan, nor a huge dance fan, nor think he's porny...
I'm just posting food for thought as an outsider..
I was thinking if ESPN or the American news cared enough to report on his decision, replay that fluff where he was kind of emotional about finally becoming an American, after so long.. Would the American guy who will watch ESPN faithfully, and the American citizens who watch the news feel he lied and that he really did not mean what he said in that interview about becoming an American. .. :\ I'm just curious. I am aware of how people would think, or be mis lead or misunderstand when a person comes to this country emotionally before the cameras makes it seem this was what he worked so hard to become, then, changes to a different country so soon.. .
I see the many faults about my beloved country, but I also see and know the many many best things about my country.. I love my country and am not sure how I feel about what he's doing.. I am not his fan, nor a huge dance fan, nor think he's porny...
I'm just posting food for thought as an outsider..Dual Citizenship
Based on what I've read, it would seem that Peter would not necessarily have to relinquish his US citizenship to obtain Canadian citizenship, as the rules regarding dual citizenship have changed substantially over the past decade. So, given that, do those of you previously implying that he's a carpet bagger and a turncoat still feel that way?
For your reading pleasure:
http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm/immigrant_visas/2dual_nationality.htm
See also:
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html
I personally believe that citizenship is a serious matter and am generally opposed to any individual receiving special priviliges (i.e., accelerated citizenship). But I have no problem with anyone's choice as long as it's executed within the rules that apply to everyone.
Based on what I've read, it would seem that Peter would not necessarily have to relinquish his US citizenship to obtain Canadian citizenship, as the rules regarding dual citizenship have changed substantially over the past decade. So, given that, do those of you previously implying that he's a carpet bagger and a turncoat still feel that way?
For your reading pleasure:
http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm/immigrant_visas/2dual_nationality.htm
See also:
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html
I personally believe that citizenship is a serious matter and am generally opposed to any individual receiving special priviliges (i.e., accelerated citizenship). But I have no problem with anyone's choice as long as it's executed within the rules that apply to everyone.
Well, I think that Peter T had bad luck. He got the US citizenship and competed with Naomi in one Olympics. He (as well as anyone who has a partner from another country they are representing) needed to get the citizenship to be able to compete in Olympics. Anissina got French citizenship.
As it has been mentioned here earlier, it is not always easy to find a partner. E.g. in Russia there was and is hard competition, much harder than in USA in ice dance. That is the reason why he tried to find a partner in USA, I´d imagine. And found Naomi. In Olympics they were the best US ice dance pair. Peter T got the US citizenship and did his job in the Olympics.
Apparently Peter T does not wish to end his career in one Olympics and wants to continue competing. And Naomi is not available any more? My guess is that there is no big name US ice-dancer to become Peter´s partner, is there? Not anyone like Bourne from Canada, I mean. So, what should he do, stop his eligible career?
It did not become clear to me, did he have tears in his eyes because he had to give up his Russian citizenship or because he got the US citizenship?
Marjaana
As it has been mentioned here earlier, it is not always easy to find a partner. E.g. in Russia there was and is hard competition, much harder than in USA in ice dance. That is the reason why he tried to find a partner in USA, I´d imagine. And found Naomi. In Olympics they were the best US ice dance pair. Peter T got the US citizenship and did his job in the Olympics.
Apparently Peter T does not wish to end his career in one Olympics and wants to continue competing. And Naomi is not available any more? My guess is that there is no big name US ice-dancer to become Peter´s partner, is there? Not anyone like Bourne from Canada, I mean. So, what should he do, stop his eligible career?
pennyfromheaven said:
It did not become clear to me, did he have tears in his eyes because he had to give up his Russian citizenship or because he got the US citizenship?
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Joesitz said:
A. He didn't dump Naomi. SHE stopped skating for awhile, then came back and they competed at Nationals, withdrawing after the CD.
B. SHE then dumped HIM after becoming pregnant.
Ice dancing is his JOB. Of course he cares about it. I personally think the wiser decision would be for them to skate in shows, but it's not my life. Neither of them have an Olympic medal, and I'm sure that something very tempting to go for. As the wise Atticus Finch says in "To Kill a Mockingbird," "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes."
Laura
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