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DoggyGirl - Applying the COEs appropriately is sooooo subjective. Don't hope. Just eat it up. hwell:
Joe
Joe
mzheng said:IIRC, it is reflected in GOE. More than required revolutions is one of the critirias to get +3 GOE in spins (at least by the old spec).
hockeyfan228 said:First, I don't think this is a problem with CoP. It's an issue of "follow success." I've sat through plenty of awful COE spirals during the 6.0 era after it became Kwan's signature move. Weak versions of Cohen's I-spin also began during the 6.0 era. The classic layback became optional once Kwan was able to win with the drop leg version.
hockeyfan228 said:The other thing is that I don't think this is such a problem. Compulsory dances are the way to compare each team doing the exact same thing, instead of comparing apples to oranges.
Doggygirl said:ITA with you about the skating skills recognition. I think in it's own way, this does take place as it must be more difficult to keep a spin centered, fast, with many revolutions in a more difficult position with respect to balance, etc. than an easier one. I would like to see more skaters (especially ladies - IMO the men overall have been more innovative here i.e. Weir, Lambiel, Buttle, Sawyer and that amazing split thing he does...) come up with interesting and difficult positions that suit their capabilities/ body type. AND hold them long, fast, centered, etc. I think there is lots of room for more innovation among many of the ladies - and I hope they are all working on some amazing new moves that will surprise and delight us.
Irina's strength this past season in terms of utilizing the difficult Biellmann position to her advantage should highlight a big opportunity for others next season. If that level of difficulty can be achieved while using a wider variety of moves, I sure hope that type of strategy would be rewarded on the PCS side of things.
Sorry again about that out of control nerve.
DG
hockeyfan228 said:Remember that the Biellmann spiral was used successfully by Shizuka Arakawa in her World Championship Turandot program in 2004, and that it was choreographed by Tarasova, a friend of Gromova, Slutskaya's coach. Arakawa's spiral was rated a L1 at Trophee Lalique and L3 at GPF under CoP. (I don't have tapes of both programs to see how or if the spiral changed.) Slutskaya is not the first top skater to use it in the spiral sequence, but it plays to her strengths, not her weaknesses like the traditional spiral.
Boring? YES!, but a clearer cut distinction of how well skaters compare.antmanb said:Well great - if you want that kind of exact science lets bring back figures and scrap free skating. It is the "free" in free skating that was what people loved watching and doing which led to the dropping of figures. The level of creativity just isn't there with a compulsory dance and i would hate to see free skating go down that route just because some mad speed skater decided to try to cover up his cronies shenanigans by implementing a new judging system to anonymize those cronies simultaneously trying to throw people off the scent of what hewas doing by coming up with badly thought out code of points to suplpment his anonymous judging.Ant