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- Jul 31, 2003
IMO - No.
I am wondering if skaters that worked on quad jumps in the case of men, and triple axel in the case of ladies, should be awarded more points on their rare athletic talent?
Watching some of the recent competitions made me aware of some things-
1.Some difficult jumps may not be getting the number of points they deserve.
a triple toe-double loop-double toe combination has same value as a triple axel. A 3A is a very difficult jump and someone that can do it (particularly among ladies) should be rewarded handsomely for that feat. I don't think that is happening under the COP.
A quad toe-3t earns a skater just 3 more points than a triple lutz-triple toe. A fall on a quad is disastrous. So now we see a past quad king like Goebel go for an easier and safer 3lutz-3toe instead of a quad.
2. A 3-3 is a rare combination for ladies but they seem to earn a lot of points by doing a 3-2-2.
In the ladies field, a lot of triples are being downgraded to doubles so skaters choose to do a 3-2 instead of trying a more challenging 3-3 which is not likely to get the credit. Skaters attempting a 3-3 should be rewarded.
Is the COP discouraging skaters from challenging themselves by trying more difficult jumps?
3. OTOH mistakes on jumps don't seem to be penalized as much as they did under the 6.0. I am not even talking about the mandatory deductions in the SPs, but rather in the LP's.
While the 6.0 system overemphasized the quad jumps and jumps in general, at the cost of other elements, the COP seems to almost make jumps almost an insignificant part of a program. Multiple falls have the ability to ruin the overall look of a program. IMO 1.0 deduction on a fall (out of 100+ total score) seems very low.
I see a skater like Buttle make 4 mistakes on jumps in a program and still win over someone that had an imperfect quad and a lot of other landed jumps. Under 6.0 we would never have seen that. Buttle is a wonderful skater but he routinely messes up jumps and yet gets high scores. Those mistakes impact the overall quality of the program, no matter how great the foot work and the spins. There is no provision in the COP to look at the performance as one complete entity.
IMO the pendulum may have swung too far on the quads, and jumps in general.
Vash
I am wondering if skaters that worked on quad jumps in the case of men, and triple axel in the case of ladies, should be awarded more points on their rare athletic talent?
Watching some of the recent competitions made me aware of some things-
1.Some difficult jumps may not be getting the number of points they deserve.
a triple toe-double loop-double toe combination has same value as a triple axel. A 3A is a very difficult jump and someone that can do it (particularly among ladies) should be rewarded handsomely for that feat. I don't think that is happening under the COP.
A quad toe-3t earns a skater just 3 more points than a triple lutz-triple toe. A fall on a quad is disastrous. So now we see a past quad king like Goebel go for an easier and safer 3lutz-3toe instead of a quad.
2. A 3-3 is a rare combination for ladies but they seem to earn a lot of points by doing a 3-2-2.
In the ladies field, a lot of triples are being downgraded to doubles so skaters choose to do a 3-2 instead of trying a more challenging 3-3 which is not likely to get the credit. Skaters attempting a 3-3 should be rewarded.
Is the COP discouraging skaters from challenging themselves by trying more difficult jumps?
3. OTOH mistakes on jumps don't seem to be penalized as much as they did under the 6.0. I am not even talking about the mandatory deductions in the SPs, but rather in the LP's.
While the 6.0 system overemphasized the quad jumps and jumps in general, at the cost of other elements, the COP seems to almost make jumps almost an insignificant part of a program. Multiple falls have the ability to ruin the overall look of a program. IMO 1.0 deduction on a fall (out of 100+ total score) seems very low.
I see a skater like Buttle make 4 mistakes on jumps in a program and still win over someone that had an imperfect quad and a lot of other landed jumps. Under 6.0 we would never have seen that. Buttle is a wonderful skater but he routinely messes up jumps and yet gets high scores. Those mistakes impact the overall quality of the program, no matter how great the foot work and the spins. There is no provision in the COP to look at the performance as one complete entity.
IMO the pendulum may have swung too far on the quads, and jumps in general.
Vash