Intended jumps

I am starting this thread here, instead of in the 'edge' section because of the potential spoilers.

In the Oda-Takahashi controversy/reversal of results, one thing stood out for me. When a skater underrotates a jump it gets downgraded (e.g. an intended triple becomes a double). If the skater makes a mistake on the second jump (e.g. a step out or a two footed landing) does it get counted as it was intended or as the downgraded jump?

When a skater makes a mistake on a jump, e.g. a step out, it gets counted as it was intended. So there is a possible violation of the Zayak rule even when the jump was not completed.

There seems to be some inconsistency about penalizing the skaters. If my interpretation of the rule is correct, a skater gets penalized for underrotating a jump after landing it cleanly. However, if he/she does not land it cleanly, it gets counted as it was intended.

Can someone shed light on this?

Vash

I can't shed any light on it, but it's a very interesting question - especially after results issue. I hope someone turns up who knows the answer.

DG

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Doggygirl said:

I can't shed any light on it, but it's a very interesting question - especially after results issue. I hope someone turns up who knows the answer.

DG

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Greetings, As I understand it the technical specialist determines weather a jump was a triple or a double and gives that base value.
The judges can add or take away 1,2 or 3 points for how the jump was done. So after the technical specialist says it was a triple jump the judges can take off 1, 2 or 3 points for the stepout. sk8addict

sk8fanconvert said:

Greetings, As I understand it the technical specialist determines weather a jump was a triple or a double and gives that base value.
The judges can add or take away 1,2 or 3 points for how the jump was done. So after the technical specialist says it was a triple jump the judges can take off 1, 2 or 3 points for the stepout. sk8addict

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It's my understanding as well that the tech callers determine the jump rotations. In my take anyway, here is the question (but upon further pondering, I think I already know the answer). Let's say skater Bob has a 4T, a solo 3T, and a 3T/3L planned. Let's say he has mistakes on the 4T, and is not sure how it will be called (possible under rotation). He's got two other 3T's planned in the program, so if the 4T is called a 3T, then one of the other 2 3T's won't count (Zayak rule).

I'm not saying this is bad, but it potentially introduces lot's for these skaters to think about, in nanoseconds, during their performances. Just makes my admiration go up for these competitors.

DG

I don't think the Spoiler issue applies here since Japanese nationals are very unlikely to be broadcast anywhere.

Please take this to the Edge or I will, this is an important issue as it appears that Oda may have been screwed after all (it seems that a loop was counted as a double for goe purposes and as a triple for zayak purposes ...)

The downgrading of jumps is my single biggest gripe with COP (and that's saying something) as it seems to be unduly penalize underrotation far more than any other problem in jumps.

Hey,everybody,
My English is not perfect, but let's say that I understand what are you talking about.
First to tell you: It is not on techincal spetialist to tell something about jumps. Levels of spins,sparrows and steps deppends on him/her. Judges are those who give +2,+1,0,-1,-2,-3...or other points for jumps.
So, does anyone of you think that new system is bad because, for example, if tripple jump is under-rotaded, it's just a double?:disapp: I think it's very good side of New System. :yes: :yes: :yes: , what about you?