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SailorGalaxia518

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 27, 2004
Here are the standings so far:

1 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 133.32 65.80 67.52 7.04 6.50 6.79 6.68 6.75 0.00 #14
2 Ivan DINEV BUL 122.88 62.10 60.78 6.36 5.71 6.18 5.93 6.21 0.00 #11
3 Kevin VAN DER PERREN BEL 122.34 57.12 65.22 6.61 6.29 6.57 6.50 6.64 0.00 #13
4 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 114.62 60.62 54.00 5.50 5.11 5.50 5.43 5.46 0.00 #4
5 Sergei DAVYDOV BLR 113.81 58.39 55.42 5.71 5.32 5.61 5.50 5.57 0.00 #7
6 Gregor URBAS SLO 109.96 59.66 51.30 5.18 4.93 5.18 5.18 5.18 1.00 #9
7 Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE 109.69 55.13 55.56 5.71 5.43 5.50 5.57 5.57 1.00 #10
8 Sergei DOBRIN RUS 108.53 51.87 57.66 5.89 5.54 5.68 5.79 5.93 1.00 #8
9 Karel ZELENKA ITA 105.98 56.92 50.06 5.18 4.82 5.00 4.96 5.07 1.00 #1
10 Jamal OTHMAN SUI 99.48 48.56 52.92 5.39

Overall:
1 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 197.42 8 1
2 Kevin VAN DER PERREN BEL 182.32 11 3
3 Ivan DINEV BUL 177.18 16 2
4 Sergei DAVYDOV BLR 170.51 15 5
5 Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE 167.37 13 7
6 Sergei DOBRIN RUS 165.63 14 8
7 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 164.49 22 4
8 Gregor URBAS SLO 162.95 18 6
 

SailorGalaxia518

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 27, 2004
1 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 133.32 65.80 67.52 7.04 6.50 6.79 6.68 6.75 0.00 #14
2 Ivan DINEV BUL 122.88 62.10 60.78 6.36 5.71 6.18 5.93 6.21 0.00 #11
3 Kevin VAN DER PERREN BEL 122.34 57.12 65.22 6.61 6.29 6.57 6.50 6.64 0.00 #13
4 Silvio SMALUN GER 117.85 56.57 62.28 6.39 6.00 6.21 6.25 6.29 1.00 #15
5 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 114.62 60.62 54.00 5.50 5.11 5.50 5.43 5.46 0.00 #4
6 Sergei DAVYDOV BLR 113.81 58.39 55.42 5.71 5.32 5.61 5.50 5.57 0.00 #7
7 Gregor URBAS SLO 109.96 59.66 51.30 5.18 4.93 5.18 5.18 5.18 1.00 #9
8 Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE 109.69 55.13 55.56 5.71 5.43 5.50 5.57 5.57 1.00 #10
9 Sergei DOBRIN RUS 108.53 51.87 57.66 5.89 5.54 5.68 5.79 5.93 1.00 #8
10 Karel ZELENKA ITA 105.98 56.92 50.06 5.18 4.82 5.00 4.96 5.07 1.00 #1

Overall:
1 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 197.42 8 1
2 Kevin VAN DER PERREN BEL 182.32 11 3
3 Silvio SMALUN GER 181.73 9 4
4 Ivan DINEV BUL 177.18 16 2
5 Sergei DAVYDOV BLR 170.51 15 6
6 Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE 167.37 13 8
7 Sergei DOBRIN RUS 165.63 14 9
8 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 164.49 22 5
 

SailorGalaxia518

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 27, 2004
1 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 133.32 65.80 67.52 7.04 6.50 6.79 6.68 6.75 0.00 #14
2 Ivan DINEV BUL 122.88 62.10 60.78 6.36 5.71 6.18 5.93 6.21 0.00 #11
3 Kevin VAN DER PERREN BEL 122.34 57.12 65.22 6.61 6.29 6.57 6.50 6.64 0.00 #13
4 Silvio SMALUN GER 117.85 56.57 62.28 6.39 6.00 6.21 6.25 6.29 1.00 #15
5 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 114.62 60.62 54.00 5.50 5.11 5.50 5.43 5.46 0.00 #4
6 Sergei DAVYDOV BLR 113.81 58.39 55.42 5.71 5.32 5.61 5.50 5.57 0.00 #7
7 Gregor URBAS SLO 109.96 59.66 51.30 5.18 4.93 5.18 5.18 5.18 1.00 #9
8 Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE 109.69 55.13 55.56 5.71 5.43 5.50 5.57 5.57 1.00 #10
9 Sergei DOBRIN RUS 108.53 51.87 57.66 5.89 5.54 5.68 5.79 5.93 1.00 #8
10 Karel ZELENKA ITA 105.98 56.92 50.06 5.18 4.82 5.00 4.96 5.07 1.00 #1
11 Viktor PFEIFER AUT 101.38 47.38 57.00 5.79 5.46 5.71 5.68 5.86 3.00 #16
12 Jamal OTHMAN SUI 99.48 48.56 52.92 5.39 5.04 5.32 5.32 5.39 2.00 #2
13 Roman SEROV ISR 98.05 43.83 54.22 5.54 5.21 5.43 5.43 5.50 0.00 #3
14 Adrian SCHULTHEISS SWE 94.91 46.99 48.92 5.07 4.71 4.89 4.93 4.86 1.00 #12
15 Ari-Pekka NURMENKARI FIN 85.97 36.33 50.64 5.21 4.82 5.00 5.11 5.18 1.00 #6

Overall:
1 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 197.42 8 1
2 Kevin VAN DER PERREN BEL 182.32 11 3
3 Silvio SMALUN GER 181.73 9 4
4 Ivan DINEV BUL 177.18 16 2
5 Sergei DAVYDOV BLR 170.51 15 6
...
9 Gregor URBAS SLO 162.95 18 7
10 Viktor PFEIFER AUT 159.27 12 11
11 Karel ZELENKA ITA 158.96 19 10
 

CDMM1991

Medalist
Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Yay! Ilia officially has the second spot for Russia at the Olympics! All he had to do was finish above Dobrin!
 

Kasey

Medalist
Joined
Jul 27, 2003
CDMM1991 said:
Yay! Ilia officially has the second spot for Russia at the Olympics! All he had to do was finish above Dobrin!

And he should do that by about 10 placements.
 

Ptichka

Forum translator
Record Breaker
Joined
Jul 28, 2003
Final placements

1 Evgeni PLUSHENKO RUS 245.33 1 1
2 Stephane LAMBIEL SUI 228.87 3 2
3 Brian JOUBERT FRA 222.95 2 3
4 Frederic DAMBIER FRA 200.16 4 5
5 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 197.42 8 4
6 Alban PREAUBERT FRA 190.18 5 8
7 Kevin VAN DER PERREN BEL 182.32 11 7
8 Silvio SMALUN GER 181.73 9 9
9 Gheorghe CHIPER ROM 181.51 6 11
10 Tomas VERNER CZE 178.26 7 14
11 Ivan DINEV BUL 177.18 16 6
12 Stefan LINDEMANN GER 176.70 10 10
13 Sergei DAVYDOV BLR 170.51 15 13
14 Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE 167.37 13 16
15 Sergei DOBRIN RUS 165.63 14 17
16 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 164.49 22 12
17 Gregor URBAS SLO 162.95 18 15
18 Viktor PFEIFER AUT 159.27 12 19
19 Karel ZELENKA ITA 158.96 19 18
20 Adrian SCHULTHEISS SWE 149.10 17 22
21 Jamal OTHMAN SUI 148.85 23 20
22 Roman SEROV ISR 148.10 21 21
23 Ari-Pekka NURMENKARI FIN 137.11 20 23
24 Aidas REKLYS LTU 128.51 24 24

Congrats to Klimkin for an awesome FS showing.
I'd like to hear from those who've seen the comp if the French guys' placements (3-4-6) were fair.
While I was never a Lindemann fan, it's still sad to see a World bronze medalist ending up in 5th at Euros.
 

slutskayafan21

Match Penalty
Joined
Mar 28, 2005
Once about Joubert's PCS scores were shamefully high, embarassingly inflated. Hopefully this was a one-time thing since the event was in France, and in Turin the judging will actually be fair.
 

Kasey

Medalist
Joined
Jul 27, 2003
slutskayafan21 said:
Once about Joubert's PCS scores were shamefully high, embarassingly inflated. Hopefully this was a one-time thing since the event was in France, and in Turin the judging will actually be fair.

Yes, because we all know that only CERTAIN skater's PCS marks can be shamefully high, embarassingly inflated, and it's all still "fair"....:sheesh:
 

slutskayafan21

Match Penalty
Joined
Mar 28, 2005
Joubert will get the PCS scores he deserves at the Olympics hopefully, it would be nice to know the French cant buy themselves medals like they did under the old system.
 

Jasper

Final Flight
Joined
Dec 29, 2005
Kasey said:
Yes, because we all know that only CERTAIN skater's PCS marks can be shamefully high, embarassingly inflated, and it's all still "fair"....:sheesh:

Who could you mean? Surely not Plushenko?!

;) :lol:
 

Kasey

Medalist
Joined
Jul 27, 2003
Jasper said:
Who could you mean? Surely not Plushenko?!

;) :lol:

I actually did not have specific persons in mind, although I know I could come up with quite a few I consider being frequently gifted (in scores, not necessarily their skating!) But as this person had the same sense to post the exact same stuff at FSU, and then subsequently was ill-behaved enough to be banned during the aftermath, I thought I would reply here.
 

slutskayafan21

Match Penalty
Joined
Mar 28, 2005
She probably means Slutskaya, Joubert could only dream of having the performance, musical interpretation, and basic skating skills that Irina possesses though. Irina might get the odd gift from the jobs, but for the most part she earns everything she gets unlike Brian who simply has the French fed. buy his medals, and does nothing but jump, and even misses some of them most of the time.
 

Vash01

Medalist
Joined
Jul 31, 2003
slutskayafan21 said:
Joubert will get the PCS scores he deserves at the Olympics hopefully, it would be nice to know the French cant buy themselves medals like they did under the old system.

Which medals did they BUY in the past? Anissina-Peizerat was undoubtedly the best ice dance team in that field. The Dushenays finished second at the 92 Olympics. An argument could be made that Usova-Zhulin were better, but the Dushenays had Chris Dean choreography. I don't belive the silver was 'bought' for the Dushenays. Some help from the crowd?- yes. Joubert earned all of his medals. So did Gusmeroli when she won the world bronze (1999 or 2000?). Candeloro deserved both his Olympic bronze medals because the favorites did not get it done and he did when it counted. Surya Bonali earned all her medals, including the 5 European titles.

Vash
 

slutskayafan21

Match Penalty
Joined
Mar 28, 2005
Vash01 said:
Which medals did they BUY in the past? Anissina-Peizerat was undoubtedly the best ice dance team in that field. The Dushenays finished second at the 92 Olympics. An argument could be made that Usova-Zhulin were better, but the Dushenays had Chris Dean choreography. I don't belive the silver was 'bought' for the Dushenays. Some help from the crowd?- yes. Joubert earned all of his medals. So did Gusmeroli when she won the world bronze (1999 or 2000?). Candeloro deserved both his Olympic bronze medals because the favorites did not get it done and he did when it counted. Surya Bonali earned all her medals, including the 5 European titles.

Vash

Joubert has deserved all of his medals. ROTFL!!! :biggrin: He is one of the most overscored skaters I have ever seen and was again at Europeans. His PCS scores were so ridiculously high, they made my side hurt from laughing so hard.

As for most of the others you pointed out I agree. However denying French politics has always been a big influence in the sport would be silly when there has even been documentaries that have people interviewed speaking of the orders they have been given by French skating officials to do this or that. Who knows how many of those skaters may have benefitted from that.

Gusmeroli won her World bronze in 97 BTW. Also many skaters have had Christopher Dean choreographed programs and not been close to medaling, no choreographer, no matter how brilliant, is an automatic meal ticket for skaters.
 

Vash01

Medalist
Joined
Jul 31, 2003
slutskayafan21 said:
Joubert has deserved all of his medals. ROTFL!!! :biggrin: He is one of the most overscored skaters I have ever seen and was again at Europeans. His PCS scores were so ridiculously high, they made my side hurt from laughing so hard.

As for most of the others you pointed out I agree. However denying French politics has always been a big influence in the sport would be silly when there has even been documentaries that have people interviewed speaking of the orders they have been given by French skating officials to do this or that. Who knows how many of those skaters may have benefitted from that.

Gusmeroli won her World bronze in 97 BTW. Also many skaters have had Christopher Dean choreographed programs and not been close to medaling, no choreographer, no matter how brilliant, is an automatic meal ticket for skaters.

I did not say that Dean's choreography was an automatic meal ticket for the skaters; you are putting words in my mouth and not referring to the specific case. The Dushenays had evolved upto a certain level. I never cared for their skating but i have liked some of their performances (competition and exhibitions). Isabelle was married to Dean at that time. That influence has to count, to some extent, at least in the subconscious minds of the judges. In any case they deserved 2nd or 3rd place and they got 2nd.

Under the 6.0 system Joubert's medals were well deserved. Under the COP he has not had much success. That shows something. May be he has improved.

Vash
 
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slutskayafan21

Match Penalty
Joined
Mar 28, 2005
Vash01 said:
Under the 6.0 system Joubert's medals were well deserved. Under the COP he has not had much success. That shows something. May be he has improved.

Vash

His presentation scores were grossly inflated under the old system as well. Under the new COP he has not had success not because of judges, but because of himself, particularly last year. He did not have a single decent competition last year, except Europeans where he was a close 2nd to Plushenko. The judges gave him ridiculously inflated PCS scores even last year but he could not capatilize on them most of the time.

This year until Europeans his scores were much more in line with reality until Europeans.
 

slutskayafan21

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Vash01 said:
I did not say that Dean's choreography was an automatic meal ticket for the skaters; you are putting words in my mouth and not referring to the specific case. The Dushenays had evolved upto a certain level. I never cared for their skating but i have liked some of their performances (competition and exhibitions). Isabelle was married to Dean at that time. That influence has to count, to some extent, at least in the subconscious minds of the judges. In any case they deserved 2nd or 3rd place and they got 2nd.

The Duchensays were a team that 90% of fans seemed to be head and heals over and thought they deserved to win every event instead of Klimova/
Ponamarenko; while many hardcore skating fans have said they were one of the most overrated teams ever, so while I have my own opinions on them I try not to get into a discussion to deep on them. They clearly inspire two extremes of views. All I will say is they were certainly extremely unique and original, some of their actual dance technique was quite flawed but they were good at hiding it.
That and I cant stand the commentary he used to do for French-Canadian TV.
:biggrin:
 

Doggygirl

Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 18, 2003
Call me optimistic (or silly)....

I guess I'm one who WANTS to believe that more medals are earned than "bought." I try really hard to NOT cry "wuz robbed" or "wuz held up" until I've seen it. And I have no idea who has seen what here. There are lots of vids available already, even though none of this comp (to my knowledge) has been aired in the US.

I would have a lot more respect for the "wuz robbed" and/or "wuz gifted" if there were some reference to at least seeing the performance in question. Skaters do improve with training and time, and skaters also have "melt downs" and/or "stellar performances" when you (or certainly I) least expect them.

DG
 
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