The third day of the Four Continents Figure Skating Championships continued with the Free Dance and Men's Long program.
...and -on this board- it never will...And BTW, that can of worms never closed.
Another interesting read from GS correspondent EWalker.
So, Lysacek double-footed his quad combination and put a hand down on his triple Axel. That alone could account for most of the difference between his scores in this competiton compared to Nationals
I am still trying to figure out what "masculine choreography" means. Philippe Candeloro beating on his chest as "George of the Jungle?"
Do your homework....That is only about 2 points total, so now about 2 points out of 10 is most of the difference?
What I actually said: "At Skate America Lysacek placed first in the long program. If he had won the short program, too, he would have won the whole thing."1. Lysacek could have won SA with a clean short as a 80+ short for him is very realistic.
What I actually said: "He basically lost his shot at the championship when he finished 8th in the SP."2. Lysacek could have done better then (sic) bronze at Worlds last year with a clean short.
What I actually said: "If you think 160 is about right by international standards and that skaters can expect about a 6% "patriotic bonus" on top of that, then Lysacek's actual score of 169 is just right."As for Mathman, he is probably inventing an extra 6-7 points likely since he was saying at U.S Nationals that Evan's score was a right score when I said it wasnt, and so has to invent alot of points that dont exist to avoid being proven wrong, that is all.
I think his U.S. Nationals performance would be worth about 160 at Tokyo, his Four Continents performance a little less.I think what some of you are forgeting is this event was also in the United States. Part of the many disturbing trends of judging of recent times is an automatic elevation of scores in your own country. Not to the extent of your own Nationals championships, particularly when there are other motives at work, but still on a different scale then outside your own country. So Lysacek being a 169 for a clean performance with 1 quad at his U.S Nationals, down to a 161 for a clean performance with 1 quad at Four Continents in the United States likely is down further then that at Worlds which is not in the United States. Something to keep in mind.
Yes! that is a huge help. Thank you.No. Masculine choreography refers to an approach to body tension. Instead of being softer and balletic, it is more of a paso doble approach to movement. Does that make sense? I'm not saying balletic isn't masculine, but I would call it balletic. Evan was not balletic. His approach to choreography is a little more angular and presents a stronger picture. I hope that this helps...
Do your homework.
It's a difference of 3.57 on the tech side alone.
In addition, a pretty much clean program in Spokane versus a not quite so clean program in Colorado -- could that have accounted for, say, half of the four-point difference in PCSs (with the other 2 points reflecting the overall higher scores that we have come to expect at national championships)?
No. Masculine choreography refers to an approach to body tension. Instead of being softer and balletic, it is more of a paso doble approach to movement. Does that make sense? I'm not saying balletic isn't masculine, but I would call it balletic. Evan was not balletic. His approach to choreography is a little more angular and presents a stronger picture. I hope that this helps...
What I actually said: "Could that have accounted for, say, half of the four-point difference in PCSs...?"You think you gain 4 points on PCS from a hand down on a jump, plus a slightly two footed landing?
I think his U.S. Nationals performance would be worth about 160 at Tokyo, his Four Continents performance a little less.
All skaters have to "keep in mind" the vagaries of the judging.