Half loop sequences with quads?

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moviechick

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• May 22, 2008

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Just curious, has any skater ever done a half loop combination with a quad as the first jump? I know it's been done a lot with triple axels like Plushenko's 3A-3F, but I wonder if he ever tried it with the quad.. he seems like the kind of guy who would try that sort of thing. Is it really much harder to do a 4T-1/2L- something (I guess 3Sal?) than just a 4T-3T?

And also, what would half loop sequences get under CoP or are they just considered separate jumps?

 

Mathman

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• May 22, 2008

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I think something like a 4T+(1/2 Lo)+3F sequence would be scored as a sequence rather than a combination -- and that's the problem. For a sequence you only get 80% of the value of both jumps. Under the new point values, I think it would go like this:

4T+half-loop+3F SEQ = 12.44 points.

4T+3T COMBO = 13.8 points

4T and then later 3F as a separate jump = 15.3 points (but uses up two jumping passes).

 

Joesitz (RIP)

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• May 22, 2008

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^^
The combo gets more points, and probably rightfully so, but aesthetically and probably musically, the Sequence should get higher PCS because it shows rhythm.

Joe

 

Tinymavy15

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if anyone who has ever skated, they should know that a half loop combo is much harder than a toe loop combo. I can easily to 2 sal/2toe combo, but a 2toe/ half loop/ 2 sal is MUCH harder. You have to keep the momentum going and really get a good deep edge coming out of the half loop.

 

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moviechick

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Has anyone ever done one in competition before or is it not worth it under CoP? Anyone under 6.0 try it?

 

vlaurend

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• May 23, 2008

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moviechick said:

Has anyone ever done one in competition before or is it not worth it under CoP? Anyone under 6.0 try it?

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Look at Mathman's post. Because it's a sequence, it only gets 80% of the value of the two jumps, so the points aren't worth it under the current judging system.