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Sounds like a ballet, I wouldn't mind missing.
Sounds like a ballet, I wouldn't mind missing.
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When a skater rotates in a jump, the dynamic forces contort their faces. Photographers love to capture this effect. :sheesh:
I saw one of Jeremy that was scary.
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I don't want to put words into your mouth, but what you wrote makes Yu-na seem like a 'bad loser' or something, whereas nothing is further from truth. I don't think Yu-na can be accused of staying in her comfort zone or being sloppy with her preparations or training. Her run in this season has been so far very impressive. Mistakes are a fact of life. So is losing in a competition.
I think you should separate the kind of athlete Yuna is from what her fans have to say.
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heh... random note, but Mao's solo 3A was the highest scored 3A in terms of GOE even compared to the Men's LP 3A's. That's a nice achievement too, since her GOE scores aren't normally so positive for it.
I'm a bit disappointed to see the "I have a cold" excuses from Yu-Na. Even though I adore both their skating, I do believe that Mao and Yu-Na could both afford to be more gracious losers. Whenever they don't take first place in a competition, it seems like there is always a "special reason" why they weren't the top skater in the world that day. People need to learn to say "I didn't win because _____ skated better than me today.":sheesh:
I'm a bit disappointed to see the "I have a cold" excuses from Yu-Na. Even though I adore both their skating, I do believe that Mao and Yu-Na could both afford to be more gracious losers. Whenever they don't take first place in a competition, it seems like there is always a "special reason" why they weren't the top skater in the world that day. People need to learn to say "I didn't win because _____ skated better than me today.":sheesh:
True. All of her jumps except for the ones you listed were either out of steps or right after another jump.
Her preparations going into 3A-2T and planned 3-3 took just normal lengths with a good speed.
The second 3A was preceded by a spread-eagle sequence and just several crossovers.
IMO, it was the most transition-packed program tonight (perhaps even a lot more than necessary).
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I think these 18-year old girls have time to learn that. Meanwhile, we, as fans, can cut some slacks to them.
What I liked about Mao is the little details like the 'tano' thing for her little jumps. It makes her look like a little twirling feather on the air that fascinates me.
What I liked about Yuna is her expression that draws me in like a magnet.
Everyone else was kinda bla~
In order to interview and film each skater, SBS crew has to make 'some' fuss around the skater. However, when Ms.Bang, one of SBS' commentator, tried to approach Mao, TAT would give her scary looksy (twice)... too scary that she decided what the heck we will skip Mao.
What I liked about Yuna is her expression that draws me in like a magnet.
Everyone else was kinda bla~
Something that I heard on SBS at the beginning of lady's competition hit me when I read your post.
In order to interview and film each skater, SBS crew has to make 'some' fuss around the skater. However, when Ms.Bang, one of SBS' commentator, tried to approach Mao, TAT would give her scary looksy (twice)... too scary that she decided what the heck we will skip Mao.
This is where I think Patrick Chan is super mature for his age.
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Wow. That's awesome!
I feel totally oposite. I love this music, just when hearing it I get goose bumps, and Mao's program just adds to it.
I feel so sorry for Yukari... I hope she will medal finally during a big event! As for her combo spin - sometimes I have the feeling that it is not better marked than for example Yuna's or Mao's, although it is really much better. Sometimes judges do not give her enough credit for that when it is due.
I have some doubts about that. Some of Kostner's jumps that she falls on look underrotated to me, yet, she never gets UR calls. I was not certain whether her 3S today was fully rotated.
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It's not mutually exclusive. Sometimes an athlete does lose because of medical issues, because elite-level sports are hard enough even if you are 100% healthy. In such a case, it's likely the person who finished ahead did better, but it doesn't negate the fact that the person who lost was ill and that his/her performance was affected by it. I'd say props to any athlete who is competing/playing through the pain and exhaustion.
Yu-Na is very young and is sure to catch a lot of grief in Korea for not winning. The pressure and expectations she faced at GPF are hardly comparable to Patrick Chan. If she feels more comfortable attributing a sub-par skate to being ill, she has every right to do so and it's no reflection on her personally as far as I'm concerned.
Also, saying "I have a cold" means she was focused on herself rather than on Mao's LP. Likely she wouldn't even have seen Mao skate, and would have no way of knowing whether Mao's scores were reflective of her performance or not.
But still, were Mao's 3As really better than all the men? Or were the judges just excited because a female skater had done two 3As?
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BTW, I found Miki's score a bit shocking. Miki was in tears of joy after the performance and Morozov was also very happy sitting next to her. If you watch her skate in the arena, perhaps you wouldn't see those URs. Then how would it feel when the score comes out like that?
I understand your point. But when you want to explain the reason of your mistakes, it is not logically possible to say "I made mistakes BECAUSE somebody skated better than me today."
No, I meant she had the most transition-packed program among tonight's ladies' programs, IMO. But she got a relatively low score on transitions, which I didn't get.
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Oh, I thought maybe you were suggesting that she got high GOEs because of difficult entries into the jumps. I still haven't seen anything except the dance, Eurosport is only showing highlights of the rest.
Reminds me of Meissner's surprisingly low SP score at CoR. I guess UR calls will do that to you... But it's interesting that Motozov didn't pick up on it.
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I am sure it is the latter. Let's not turn her 3As into the battle of sex.
Just when Mao tried to put the blame for her poor performance on her condition? I follow the Japanese news and I've never heard her trying to come up with any excuses, even if she indeed skated with illness or injury. She usually just says that she feels miserable that she wasn't able to skate her best and promises to work hard to be able to skate better next time. And she did praise many of her competitors - Miki for consistency (at Worlds 2007), YuNa for 3-3, Caroline for the layback, etc.. :thumbsup:
I felt the same way. In fact, I thought Morozov was about to cry after Miki finished skating. I hope Miki does not feel discouraged - she really worked hard to improve her skating before this competition. She brought back her 2A-3T, challenged and landed 4S (underrotated, but still very impressive) and worked on her posture and spirals. And her LP dress is lovely.
I hope that she has enough time before Nationals and Worlds to work on those underrotations and get more comfortable with the program. :agree: It still looked a bit raw, but I think it has potential to be very impressive when skated with more power and confidence.
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The way I understand it, Kim Yu-Na simply stated the fact that she had a cold. It happens, skaters are human, not robots, and they're going to get sick or injured. Everyone knew Michelle Kwan had a cold at the 1999 Worlds, but she never used it as an excuse for finishing 2nd to Maria Butyrskaya. I don't see any evidence of Kim Yu-Na using that as an excuse for not winning either.
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Then the proper reply is "I make mistakes, because I'm not perfect. No one is."
It's bad for anyone to fall into the habit of giving excuses, even if you do have a legitimate one. Mao and Yu-Na, in particular, have very media-centric lives and a lot of kids or young athletes looking up to them. It's easy as an adult to look at them as 18 year-old girls, but they and their team need to realize that it's equally important for them to have attitudes that are as good as their skating... perhaps even more so when you have the spotlight on you. Takahiko Kozuka's humble attitude is very refreshing... a lot of people could learn a lesson or two from him.
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It's definitely not a battle of the sexes, but more like the battle of a completely different judging panel, completely different technical caller and technical specialist. Now, if Mao competed in the same event with the men and vice-versa under the same judging panel and tech committee, then one could accurately say that her 3Axel was rated better than the men. Some judging panels, technical callers, and technical specialists are more harsh or more lenient than others. This is why it's never accurate to compare scores across events and in this case, across disciplines, as well.
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I felt the same way. In fact, I thought Morozov was about to cry after Miki finished skating. I hope Miki does not feel discouraged - she really worked hard to improve her skating before this competition. She brought back her 2A-3T, challenged and landed 4S (underrotated, but still very impressive) and worked on her posture and spirals. And her LP dress is lovely.
I hope that she has enough time before Nationals and Worlds to work on those underrotations and get more comfortable with the program. :agree: It still looked a bit raw, but I think it has potential to be very impressive when skated with more power and confidence.
I never would count Miki out of being a contender for anything. She's gone through many rough patches and has overcome a ton of obstacles. People were cruel to her after the Olympics and then she came back and won Worlds in 2007. She's a tough cookie.
