Any updates on Alissa?

Blades of Passion · Mar 5, 2009

Mathman said:
In previous years Alissa did 3Lz+2T, 3F+2T, 3Lz and 3F -- using the +2T to allow her to do two Lutzes and two flips.

Her 3T+2T this year does not gain her any such advantage because the only jump she repeats is the Lutz.

Yeah but you have to consider that the Flip is her most inconsistent jump (aside from the Salchow, I guess, since she never even tries that jump). It's better for her to not attempt it twice.

museksk8r · Mar 5, 2009

Blades of Passion said:
Yeah but you have to consider that the Flip is her most inconsistent jump (aside from the Salchow, I guess, since she never even tries that jump). It's better for her to not attempt it twice.

Agreed, and knowing that the 3flip is one of her more inconsistent jumps, it's so crazy to me that she attempts it as her solo triple in the SP. Seems like her coach and choreographer would be smarter than that. She needs to take a note from Cynthia Phaneuf, who also was having problems with the 3flip in the SP and replaced it with the much more stable 3toe. Why isn't Czisny attempting the 3loop or the 3toe in the SP instead?

For the LP, Alissa should try:
3Lutz+2toe
3flip
3loop
x2Axel
x3loop+2toe
x3toe+2toe+2loop
x3toe

Granted, she would need to have her choreographer re-choreograph her LP, but the essence is I think the last thing Alissa needs to do is attempt a 2nd 3Lutz or 3flip in her program. The fact is she's just not a strong enough jumper.

Particle Man · Mar 5, 2009

Joesitz said:
There are no extra points for clean programs, unfortunately.

That's a good one-sentence rebuke of CoP. :rofl:

flying camel · Mar 5, 2009

museksk8r said:
Agreed, and knowing that the 3flip is one of her more inconsistent jumps, it's so crazy to me that she attempts it as her solo triple in the SP. Seems like her coach and choreographer would be smarter than that. She needs to take a note from Cynthia Phaneuf, who also was having problems with the 3flip in the SP and replaced it with the much more stable 3toe. Why isn't Czisny attempting the 3loop or the 3toe in the SP instead?

For the LP, Alissa should try:
3Lutz+2toe
3flip
3loop
x2Axel
x3loop+2toe
x3toe+2toe+2loop
x3toe

Granted, she would need to have her choreographer re-choreograph her LP, but the essence is I think the last thing Alissa needs to do is attempt a 2nd 3Lutz or 3flip in her program. The fact is she's just not a strong enough jumper.

I really feel that is a very possible jump layout for Alissa. She could also throw in the double axel if she doesn't feel like the last triple is going to happen. I agree she doesn't need to repeat the Llutz or flip. She doesn't seem physically strong enough to repeat those jumps toward the end of the program.

She should make her foot work more difficult.

We want so much for her and from her.

museksk8r · Mar 5, 2009

flying camel said:
I really feel that is a very possible jump layout for Alissa. She could also throw in the double axel if she doesn't feel like the last triple is going to happen. She should make her foot work more difficult.

I agree. Increase the difficulty of the footwork and add some more transitions into and out of her jumps and spins in order to increase the GOE potential. She should try to exit her 2Axel and hold the landing edge in a spiral position similar to what Michelle Kwan or Irina Slutskaya used to do and what Joannie Rochette does now in her SP. She could maybe do an ina bauer, some 1-foot footwork, a split falling leaf, a spread eagle, a mohawk, a walley jump, some traveling stars, or a forward or backward spiral into some of her spins and jumps. She already does a 3-turn into her 3loop jump. Just some suggestions.

R.D. · Mar 6, 2009

just a note- the thread title has now become "any suggestions for alyssa"

Tinymavy15 · Mar 6, 2009

HCOSurfer said:
It may be safer, but when was the last time Alissa even attempted a 3S?

Never noticed that before that Alissa does not do the salchow. Seems like so many women skaters are leaving it out. I understand why caroline and mao would want to leave it out, it is not worth it for them when they could use a 7th triple as a more difficult one that is worth more points. But for Alissa....i guess her technique is bad on that jump.

museksk8r · Mar 6, 2009

Tinymavy15 said:
Never noticed that before that Alissa does not do the salchow. Seems like so many women skaters are leaving it out. I understand why caroline and mao would want to leave it out, it is not worth it for them when they could use a 7th triple as a more difficult one that is worth more points.

Since when does Caroline have a 3Axel?

R.D. · Mar 6, 2009

museksk8r said:
Since when does Caroline have a 3Axel?

sounds to me as if she was actually referring to the Salchow jump

museksk8r · Mar 6, 2009

Red Dog said:
sounds to me as if she was actually referring to the Salchow jump

Zhang's LP layout at 4CC was:
3flip+3toe
3Lutz+2toe
2Axel
x3flip
x3loop
x3Salchow
x3loop+2toe+2loop

She has 7 triples, the most that is permitted by the ISU rules for a lady skater. A skater is only permitted by the rules to repeat 2 triples and Zhang repeats the 3flip and the 3loop. If she didn't do the 3Salchow, then she would have to do a 3Axel to have 7 triples in her LP, a jump that is not in her arsenal.

R.D. · Mar 6, 2009

^ ah.

KayMil01 · Mar 6, 2009

museksk8r said:
I agree. Increase the difficulty of the footwork and add some more transitions into and out of her jumps and spins in order to increase the GOE potential. She should try to exit her 2Axel and hold the landing edge in a spiral position similar to what Michelle Kwan or Irina Slutskaya used to do and what Joannie Rochette does now in her SP. She could maybe do an ina bauer, some 1-foot footwork, a split falling leaf, a spread eagle, a mohawk, a walley jump, some traveling stars, or a forward or backward spiral into some of her spins and jumps. She already does a 3-turn into her 3loop jump. Just some suggestions.

I think this would be good. BTW, what are traveling stars?

Spun Silver · Mar 6, 2009

Oh, are they those fast little tippy-toe turns that Johnny and Sasha like to do? what a pretty name.

museksk8r · Mar 6, 2009

KayMil01 said:
I think this would be good. BTW, what are traveling stars?

I have also heard them called running camels or butterflies and are typically seen before a skater goes into a spin. Nancy Kerrigan did them at the end of her 1994 Olympic LP (see 4:17 into this video going into her final sit spin/scratch spin): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7RvWbnaDZk

See here (butterfly spin): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_spin

Blades of Passion · Mar 6, 2009

museksk8r said:
Agreed, and knowing that the 3flip is one of her more inconsistent jumps, it's so crazy to me that she attempts it as her solo triple in the SP. Seems like her coach and choreographer would be smarter than that. She needs to take a note from Cynthia Phaneuf, who also was having problems with the 3flip in the SP and replaced it with the much more stable 3toe. Why isn't Czisny attempting the 3loop or the 3toe in the SP instead?

Well I think she just gets worse on the difficult jumps late into programs. Stamina/confidence issues. Her 3Flip, with the reworked technique, is actually very pretty now when she hits it. I'd keep it in the SP.

Mathman · Mar 6, 2009

Red Dog said:
just a note- the thread title has now become "any suggestions for alyssa"

That's very funny, when you think about it.

I wonder if Alissa is reading this thread.

PolymerBob · Mar 6, 2009

museksk8r said:
Since when does Caroline have a 3Axel?

I don't remember where, but I remember reading somewhere that Caroline has practiced the triple axel.

HCOSurfer · Mar 6, 2009

PolymerBob said:
I don't remember where, but I remember reading somewhere that Caroline has practiced the triple axel.

I think that's why her technique on that jump is so funky.

Mathman · Mar 6, 2009

Blades of Passion said:
Well I think she just gets worse on the difficult jumps late into programs. Stamina/confidence issues.

I think it is more psychological than fatigue-related.

It seems to me that in the first half of her programs Alissa is successful in skating down into the ice, letting each element come to her. She's got her groove on.

Then, after she hits the first four jumps and starts to see the light at the end of the tunnel -- "I'm doing it! I'm doing it! Just three more jumps!" she stars to rush her jumps. her upper body gets ahead of her legs, she can't make the rotations, and there she goes.

roundboypete · Mar 6, 2009

U.S. ladies in the mix!
Rachael solidly in 6th!
‘Lissa, 'Lissa, breath of heaven,
Bring it in at number seven!

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