Her programs have been the same old, same old for many many years.
Yes, she's had the same programs for 20 years now.
My point was that Caroline's base Tech scores are fine. I hadn't realized it is the best among that illustrious group you listed, so I reiterate what can Charlene do to improve this?Actually, if you look at the scores, it is quite quite apparent what Caroline needs to improve on -- the quality of almost every technical element.
To take as an example Four Continents LP, here are the base values (what she did) and the GOEs (how well she did it), for the tech scores.
Asada: base value 51.68, GOEs 6.90
Rochette: base value 54.25, GOEs 4.20
Kim: base value 53.05, GOEs 3.90 (a bad competition for Kim. Her GOEs are usually much higher.)
Zhang: base value 58.58, GOEs 1.44
Phaneuf: base value 52.61, GOEs 1.90
In this competition, Caroline had the highest base values for her elements, way higher than Kim, Asada, or anyone else. When it came to the quality of her elements, she was even behind Phaneuf.
By the way, the skater with the second highest technical base value was Rachael Flatt: base value 57.21. Her total GOEs were negative 0.86 and she finished 7th.
Both Caroline's and Rachael's coaches have their work cut out for them.
My point was that Caroline's base Tech scores are fine. I hadn't realized it is the best among that illustrious group you listed, so I reiterate what can Charlene do to improve this?
Your bringing up the plus GoEs which I am not fond of, and find them to be very subjective. However, if she is getting minus GoEs then that has to be cleared up I think you are using one competition as typical and not the exceptional. You can demonstrate that with another competition?
But don't you think if she could get +GOE's on all her jumps and FW, in addition to the +GOE's she already gets on her spins and spirals, her PCS marks WILL rise, therefore placing her in very good stead to contend?
Hum, interesting. Did she have any "bad luck" element? Or were they all very "lucky"?
Though if you notice, Caroline's GOEs are going up. Near the end of the season, I was getting this feeling that the judges were starting to warm up to her. She was even getting fewer underrotations.
Zhang is so afraid to get out of her comfort zone. Why did she ditch Sarah Kawahara's program and is using Lorizzzzzzzzzzzz again ? Kawahara is known to push skater's limit and I guess Zhang is back to her cocoon. Her programs have been the same old, same old for many many years.
She is slooooow and her spins are getting worse every year, her spirals are also getting pretty boring. I really don't think she'll be able to go to the Olympics.
I love Caroline, but I have to agree with you.
Second of all, I'm tired of the same spiral sequence and spin combinations. Her spirals are so amazing, but why the same 3 over and over again? I was surprised she didn't change the sequence from last year. She does a lovely Charlotte in her exhibitions, why not add that in? Her fan spiral is also gorgeous, I'd love to see that as well.
As for spins, okay I guess she can keep her layback the way it is.. But she needs a more interesting combo spin! Camel-sit-change sit- I-spin is so boring. She's obviously capable of more intricate positions, she should add in a layback without going into the Biellmann or a donut spin or the Yu-Na camel that she does in exhibitions.
As for spins, okay I guess she can keep her layback the way it is.. But she needs a more interesting combo spin! Camel-sit-change sit- I-spin is so boring.
That's realy sad. Asada's lutz has good speed but what else? And don't forget the faster one skates into a jump, the easier it is to complete that jump. Of course, if one messes up, it is the hardest on the body to fall.I am not a figure skating coach, so I don't know what a coach can do to bring up a skater's GOEs and PCSs. But if Caroline's coach is not able to do this, then Caroline will always be among the also-rans no matter how many triple jumps she lands.
I do agree, the plus GoEs are important. However in my mind, there is so much room for subjectivity here. I can't help but think the CoP is a disguise for the 6.0 system in the scheme of things.Bottom line: We may not be fond of positive GOEs, but skaters need them to win. A coach must be prepared to deal with this issue.
And why did she stop performing that interesting spin she used to do as a junior-- you know, that one
As for Caroline, I am also a little tired of her spins and spirals! Always wondered why she didn't perform so many of her gorgeous elements that she does for galas in competition. And why did she stop performing that interesting spin she used to do as a junior-- you know, that one
I don't like the use of the word 'conspiracy' which I didn't and do not use. I don't believe anyone group is out to put Caroline down. But it is only natural that individual judges have their own mindset on going overboard for some skaters and lack interest in others. i just want to know who they are.Asada gets nice height on her jumps and tends to have good flow out of them.
I don't think there is an anti-Caroline judging conspiracy. I think there are some very legitimate reasons listed in this thread as to why her PCS scores are low and her non-spin elements get so little GOE. I'm sure Caroline knows what the flaws in her skating are and what she needs to work on.