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Men's SP 5:45 am Eastern Time Friday

Medusa

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Jan 6, 2007
or maybe judges want to forget that also.
I actually wanted to add that to my sentence, that I wanted to forget his World Championship - but then a rare notion of diplomatic caution overcame me, and I left it neutral.
 

life684

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 8, 2007
Oda : loved his program, more so with his step sequences than his jumps. I hate his costume reminded me of KVDP’s skeleton costume. His jumps were not as smooth as usual but a very clean skate.

Voronov: great jumps, and the landing of all the jumps were secure. I am sure he got +goe for them. I can’t talk about anything else because with Russian tv channel strangely my speaker either not work or even if it works it only works on one of them.

LP could be trouble for Voronov since he can’t execute triple lutz (he only does doubles) and he gets wrong edge calls on his flip.

Lysacek: Jumped looked smooth and secure. But, he step sequence was sort of funny; with feather round his wrist, and those pencil thin arms flapping (he sort of looked like a scare crow – A pretty one though :p) was a sight. You have to give him credit for trying, but I would never accuse Lysacek of being artistic, but he effectively works the system and score points. I hate the music he used as well, doesn’t suit him.
 

merrybari

Final Flight
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Oct 21, 2007
Nobunari doesn't need quads to win this competition. If he lands all his triples the way he did in Paris, he'll have it.

It's not a question of needing it, though I respectfully disagree he's a shoe-in without it. The question was WOULD he do it as he intimated he would - I presume because he feels he WILL need it by the Olympics. The goal is not being the big winner during the Grand Prix but stepping to the top of the podium in Vancouver. Kind of late to try it for the first time in the season there. So my question/comment still stands. Will he or won't he?
 

calica

Final Flight
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Jun 21, 2007
1 warm up men SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdzN1IsC6c&

2 warm up men SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QgWXZb5o4w&

Denis TEN SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCpUV_HWP68&

Kevin REYNOLDS SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUBcnzH25w&f

Armin MAHBANOOZADEH SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJzvMCDrt50&

Chao YANG SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKdJzgu9oTI&

Jinlin GUAN SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn-vG2_xzyg&

Ming XU SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zphGOdfFbD4&

Samuel CONTESTI SP Cup of China 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvDnvQuVdzg

Evan LYSACEK SP Cup of China 09-10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPw_HBol31E

Nobunari ODA SP Cup of China 09-10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvjvwubuKgo&

Sergei VORONOV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSVpY8DA6vc
 

merrybari

Final Flight
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Oct 21, 2007
As for Evan's SP, . . . His costume is so distracting and horrible. .

I didn't find Evan's costume distracting at all, but rather sleek, understated and, though somewhat of a departure for him, spot on for the program.

If you feel that way about his, I wonder how you felt about Oda's. Now THERE's distracting!

Different strokes for different folks.
 

Hsuhs

Record Breaker
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Dec 8, 2006
I presume because he feels he WILL need it by the Olympics. The goal is not being the big winner during the Grand Prix but stepping to the top of the podium in Vancouver. Kind of late to try it for the first time in the season there. So my question/comment still stands. Will he or won't he?

Oda is the last to skate tomorrow, he'll know Evan Lysacek's score before taking the ice (btw, do you expect a quad from Evan?). So I think, Nobunari and his coach will adjust their plan accordingly, during Voronov's skate. Sergei will attempt a quad or two for sure, because in the absence of a 3Lz and with an 'e' call on his flip he doesn't have much choice.

If both Evan's 3 axels are ratified, and he receives world champion's PCS, it's one thing. If not, Nobunari might go for a different option. Oda will still have another two occasions to try a quad/ quad-triple-(-triple/ double?) combination: GPF and Japan Nationals, before the Olympics.

So this is my best try.
 

bekalc

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Nov 1, 2006
You hope, you hope! Don't forget, Lysacek is a World Champion now. That's a PCS-plus.

It barely got Evan higher PCs than Oda in the short program, and I don't consider Oda's short program a masterpiece of a program. Oda also got higher SS scores than Evan, as well he always should considering he's got better basics. (Oda that is)

Oda's long program is a masterpiece, and if he skates like he did TEB, the judges won't care who is world champion, Evan will have to skate very well with a program as good as Nobu's, if he wants to beat him.

Evan is world champion yes, but part of that is due to others mistakes. If other people who are better than him start stepping it up and getting better programs, they will likely start moving past him.
 
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Mar 14, 2006
I don't think I have ever seen one of my favorite skaters saddled with such hideous hair, music and costume as Nobu in this SP. Merciful skate gods, release him, and quickly. :bow:

(The first melody of the music sounded like Dido's lament (Purcell) - "When I am [dead and] laid in earth...." NOT an auspicious connotation.)
 

janetfan

Match Penalty
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May 15, 2009
I didn't find Evan's costume distracting at all, but rather sleek, understated and, though somewhat of a departure for him, spot on for the program.

If you feel that way about his, I wonder how you felt about Oda's. Now THERE's distracting!

Different strokes for different folks.

I thought Evan's costume was fine (classy actually) and the choice of music well-suited for his style of skating.

I like Oda's LP but please, his SP is is just strange.
 
Joined
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Enough with the black already, Evan. The gloves and flutter ruffles are ghoulish.

But it's an outstanding program and I applaud the choice of music. So commanding and suited to his style. It adds to his skating instead of distracting and detracting from it, as with Oda's.

I'm really surprised Oda scored as well as he did with that program. Maybe they'll hate Chaplin. :cool: (Kidding.)
 

katha

On the Ice
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Jan 7, 2007
Loved everything about Evan. Costume suited music and choreography, music and choreography suited Evan's style. He's an extroverted bravura skater and the program plays to his strengths. I guess it's more that Lysacek isn't very popular with some posters and when you don't care for someone's skating you won't like what they come up with, even when it's a good showing for them. That's how I felt about Navka/Kostomarov, for example, I could see that some of it was objectively good, but it just never interested me.
 

merrybari

Final Flight
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Oct 21, 2007
Oda is the last to skate tomorrow, he'll know Evan Lysacek's score before taking the ice (btw, do you expect a quad from Evan?). So I think, Nobunari and his coach will adjust their plan accordingly, during Voronov's skate. Sergei will attempt a quad or two for sure, because in the absence of a 3Lz and with an 'e' call on his flip he doesn't have much choice.

If both Evan's 3 axels are ratified, and he receives world champion's PCS, it's one thing. If not, Nobunari might go for a different option. Oda will still have another two occasions to try a quad/ quad-triple-(-triple/ double?) combination: GPF and Japan Nationals, before the Olympics.

So this is my best try.

I think you are right about Oda and co deciding after Evan skates - unless he feels he needs to try it anyway. He already has a gold in the GP so he may want to put the quad out there. Who knows? It's not certain that Oda will skate clean for that matter. He's been known to fold and falter now and again. Not sure if he's put his "head" issues completely behind him.

I have no prediction about Evan and the quad. He's said his decision will be based on consistency in training, and I've not seen any of his training nor heard any reports, I guess we'll all find out tomorrow. With the improved GOEs and PCSs that he's achieving he may not need it either.

Really strategy time in the FS for sure. Could come down to who's strongest mentally. In that dept. my $$ on Evan.
 

merrybari

Final Flight
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Oct 21, 2007
I thought Evan's costume was fine (classy actually) and the choice of music well-suited for his style of skating.

I like Oda's LP but please, his SP is is just strange.

janetfan, I totally agree on all you said here. :agree: I was referring to wonderland's comments re distracting costume.
 

Blades of Passion

Skating is Art, if you let it be
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It's not certain that Oda will skate clean for that matter. He's been known to fold and falter now and again. Not sure if he's put his "head" issues completely behind him.

I've never known Oda to make more than 1 mistake in a program, discounting the cases where he has done "too many jumps" and gets screwed by CoP.

He's very consistent.
 

merrybari

Final Flight
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Oct 21, 2007
Loved everything about Evan. Costume suited music and choreography, music and choreography suited Evan's style. He's an extroverted bravura skater and the program plays to his strengths.

Well said!! Very refreshing and rather rare for someone to praise Evan around here. I totally agree! :clap:

I guess it's more that Lysacek isn't very popular with some posters and when you don't care for someone's skating you won't like what they come up with, even when it's a good showing for them.

As someone said, if many of the posters here were judges, the "poor guy would always finish last." He's a better skater than he's given credit for in some circles.

It's not necessary that everyone likes the same skater/style. As always, different strokes for different folks. But it would be nice if the nay-sayers could do so a little less harshly. They all work very hard to get where they are and at the very least deserve respect.
 

Medusa

Record Breaker
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Jan 6, 2007
If they don't start putting the Quad out there, they are fools. Both of them. They will need it this season, Plushenko is no Joubert, who hands out Gold medals through stupid strategies and French nerves.
 

merrybari

Final Flight
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Oct 21, 2007
I've never known Oda to make more than 1 mistake in a program, discounting the cases where he has done "too many jumps" and gets screwed by CoP.

He's very consistent.

I don't think you can :dis" count the fact that he's frequently "mis" counted his jumps. Neither do I call that getting screwed by CoP. It's just following the rules that all the skaters have to abide by. (Though I think we can all agree some of those rules are screwy). Still rules is rules - for lack of a better yardstick by which to measure.
 
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