Patrick Chan Article "Disses" Plushenko
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It seems that Chan is a bit too arrogant for his own good. Maybe instead of bashing other (better) skaters, he should focus on improving his skating instead of bashing others to make himself feel superior. Definately won't be a fan of Chan, not that I was before. Chan could definately use some lessons in basic good sportsmanship.
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interesting... Surya and Johnny are lauded as heroes on this board for not playing the PR game and sticking it to the media/judges/federations/rivals.... Chan does it and it's wrong.
I'm not agreeing with him, but I just find it interesting... this double standard.
I'm not agreeing with him, but I just find it interesting... this double standard.
I am glad to hear that she brings her flip back to her LP.
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Chuckm, I agree with you. Furthermore, not only will Plushenko's quads wipe the mat with Chan's transitions, it's not as if Plushenko scores zeroes for transitions anyway. It's a moot point, though. Chan needs to leave it on the ice, and underestimating the talented, driven competition is not the way to do that.
Then isn't judging unfair?
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actually a lot of fans don't like that jump
I am not one of them, but it doesn't make or break it for me. honestly I'd rather have a quad flow in the program ala Ryan Bradley's two quads at nationals than the ones that are just put in because they can do them and that's all they've got (ala Plushenko)
You think it's unfair that Chan doesn't always win? Give me a break. First of all, Chan has NEVER skated a clean SP and FS in an international competition. Except for the 3A, which continues to be a problem, Chan is an excellent technician, but he isn't a great performer. Chan isn't particularly expressive, and his jumps don't inspire awe the way Plushenko's do because Chan's are small and don't cover much ice. To my eyes, as a performer, Chan is rather bland and somewhat boring, while Plushenko---love him or hate him---is rarely boring.
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it's different for everyone, your statment included all figure skating fans. there are a lot/quite a few on this board that are like Chan - they prefer "transitions" to jumps (especially the quad, which doesn't get a lot of love from every fan). (here's one thread in the archives that show some of what I mean - http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?889-the-quad-disease&highlight=quad ) there are other threads where teh main subject was not the quad and it's likability that people voiced their opinions/concerns as well... do a search if you're interested.
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Chan and Slipchuk do some damage control. Actually, the latter has become most diplomatic lately, even admitting that there are always different cultural biases in evaluating skating (including NA bias). Chan needs to work some more on his diplomacy skills... This sounds nice:
Slipchuk gets his skating history wrong:
And added this:
Chan again:
But Lambiel gets it right:
This is funny:
Ah yes, Plushy at his advanced age!
Slipchuk gets his skating history wrong:
Actually, it was late 1990s for Plushenko, and no later than 2002 for Brian.
And added this:
Chan is not an unusually good spinner compared to others in the field and he's not the only guy to have gotten level 4 on footwork.
Chan again:
Again, IMO he doesn't have an edge on the entire field in any of these areas.
But Lambiel gets it right:
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I don't have a problem with Patrick speaking his mind - although I do have a problem with Mr inman's behaviour (though I doubt he's the only one).
Concerning what Patrick said:
"For me the transitions are one of the most important things in a programme, otherwise it's very boring to watch,"
I don't agree. Transitions can be part of making a program interesting, but I've seen loads of interesting programs without transitions.
"I love the new system, it's a great way to promote an all around skater especially a skater like me,"
I only partly agree. I've got the feeling that this system priviledges people with footwork and spins, but not so much with jumps. Under the current system (though it is early) I think it's harder for Stéphane Lambiel-like skaters too emmerge.
On the last part - I admire his honesty.
"He's (Plushenko) confident that the quad will really help him, that he doesn't need transitions. He's old, I can't tell him it's not good.
One doesn't need transitions if the program is very good - Plushenko's programs this year are dull.
"I think we'll start seeing more skaters like me in future generations."
Probably.
Concerning what Patrick said:
"For me the transitions are one of the most important things in a programme, otherwise it's very boring to watch,"
I don't agree. Transitions can be part of making a program interesting, but I've seen loads of interesting programs without transitions.
"I love the new system, it's a great way to promote an all around skater especially a skater like me,"
I only partly agree. I've got the feeling that this system priviledges people with footwork and spins, but not so much with jumps. Under the current system (though it is early) I think it's harder for Stéphane Lambiel-like skaters too emmerge.
On the last part - I admire his honesty.
"He's (Plushenko) confident that the quad will really help him, that he doesn't need transitions. He's old, I can't tell him it's not good.
One doesn't need transitions if the program is very good - Plushenko's programs this year are dull.
"I think we'll start seeing more skaters like me in future generations."
Probably.
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WoW - I can't imagine how fantastic it will be full of skaters like him! - a skater proclaiming himself as a "all-round skater" (wait, what's the definition of "all-round"? Inconcistensy in 3A is included in that definition? He NEVER succeeded 3A in the second half of the LP in his life. What about other trple consistencies? So the technique is not important in this Olympic sport!) and disses a skater with a stable quad and much better career every year.
Great! Can't wait to see the scene!
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Okay, I don't want to hate on Chan...well, only a bit. 
But what is his problem? He's not a complete skater either! As long as he doesn't have a reliable triple axel, no quad etc. he's deficient in the jumping part of figure skating. And the jumps are a part of figure skating, an important one at that.
And Plushenko has better jumps (that cover more ice, are more powerful etc.), IMO better presence on the ice and excellent skating skills. So of course he should get high PCS in these areas. And he is getting docked for Transitions, Choreography etc. this season. Frankly, this just seems like Chan is scared to death that Plushenko will wipe the floor with him and lashes out to cover his anxiety.
But what is his problem? He's not a complete skater either! As long as he doesn't have a reliable triple axel, no quad etc. he's deficient in the jumping part of figure skating. And the jumps are a part of figure skating, an important one at that. And Plushenko has better jumps (that cover more ice, are more powerful etc.), IMO better presence on the ice and excellent skating skills. So of course he should get high PCS in these areas. And he is getting docked for Transitions, Choreography etc. this season. Frankly, this just seems like Chan is scared to death that Plushenko will wipe the floor with him and lashes out to cover his anxiety.
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Plushenko has spoken about Urmanov with the best words I ve seen him talk for an ex skater. And Urmy also. Dont find drama where is not. There is 1000 articles per day in russian press about Plushenko, yellow articles, purple, green, all colours. I m surprised this is all there is of quotes for him to be concidered the evil.
So far from the quotes I see Plush attacking on flies, not skaters
ouch toni, pleasssssssssssssssssssssssseee! he has got much more!!!
. I m surprised this is all there is of quotes for him to be concidered the evil. So far from the quotes I see Plush attacking on flies, not skaters
ouch toni,
pleasssssssssssssssssssssssseee! he has got much more!!!
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http://www.calgarysun.com/sports/vancouver2010/news/2010/02/11/12846301-qmi.html
Ok I think journalists are really evil , I mean he cant have said this. Although it is funny, this olympic drama is really fun!
Chinese pais watched evgeni's practice, they are scared also he will jump to pairs competition?
Ok I think journalists are really evil , I mean he cant have said this. Although it is funny, this olympic drama is really fun!
The most obvious was that Plush stayed and watched cause he was skating after him and he has never seen him in competitions, maybe???
Chinese pais watched evgeni's practice, they are scared also he will jump to pairs competition?
Wait, we were talking about transitions, right?
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Ha ha, Chan is getting really silly. Maybe Plushy was there to see the so-called future of skating, in which case I predict Plushy will be back for Sochi.
Or maybe he was trying to psych out Chan? Or he was bored? Waiting for someone? What can Patrick Chan possibly do to scare Evgeny Plushenko? Really, if he said that, he's trying to mess with the wrong guy.
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