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## Dai may try a quad flip at World

In Japanese
His coach Utako says that he has landed it in Japan (does not say how often though) and that even if he URs and falls as he did at official practices, he would get the same score as 3 Toe.

I personally find this more like gambling, similar to his quad toe at the Olympics. Is it true that he'd get the same score as 3T? I thought that he got zero for his 4T at the Olympics for URing and falling.

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Originally Posted by Bennett
In Japanese
His coach Utako says that he has landed it in Japan (does not say how often though) and that even if he URs and falls as he did at official practices, he would get the same score as 3 Toe.
It would depend on how badly he URs the quad flip. If it is within the 90 degrees to get it called a quad and he falls he would get Base Vale (11.3) less the -3GOE (4.8) less one more point (1) for the fall deduction which would net him 5.5 points or the same as a clean base value triple flip*. If, however, he under-rotates it more than 90 degrees then it would be called a 4F< and be given the same BV as a triple flip (5.5) less 3 points for the fall, together with a one point fall deduction - he nets 1.5 points for that i.e. the same points as a base value double loop.

Ant

* This to me demonstrates perfectly why the quads should not increase in value - even with the 1 point deduction for a fall, you get the same points for falling on a quad as you do for standing up a satisfactory triple. This makes no sense to me.

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4F Day1 Practice, went 0-3,

4F Day1 Practice, two foot,

He has been doing 4F for several years now in the off-season at least.
He is currently 50/50 on which to do (4T or 4F) in the LP. Seems to be getting more height on his Flip than the Toeloop at times.

PERHAPS the chance of success in his case with either quads are about the same, but when missing he is more likely to step out of a Flip while falling on a toe.

Originally Posted by antmanb
This to me demonstrates perfectly why the quads should not increase in value - even with the 1 point deduction for a fall, you get the same points for falling on a quad as you do for standing up a satisfactory triple. This makes no sense to me.
ala Jeff Buttle in 2006 Olympics, fully rotating the quad and falling on it. Though instead of a quad pass one is usually limited to doing a 2A, which isn't much of an advantage anyway.

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Originally Posted by bibi24
He is currently 50/50 on which to do (4T or 4F) in the LP.
Really? 50/50 in the music run-through?

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Originally Posted by Bennett
Really? 50/50 in the music run-through?

2nd practice, two foot flip,

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Oh, I thought that he's landing Flip and Toe 50/50 in music run-through. But according to your link, now I understand that he's deciding which jump he'd do in LP, Toe or Flip. He feels 50/50 between these two jumps and has not decided which one over the other.
According to your link, he tried three times yesterday and failed on all. He tried seven times today and had two-footed landing(s) on one/some of them.

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Originally Posted by antmanb
It would depend on how badly he URs the quad flip. If it is within the 90 degrees to get it called a quad and he falls he would get Base Vale (11.3) less the -3GOE (4.8) less one more point (1) for the fall deduction which would net him 5.5 points or the same as a clean base value triple flip*. If, however, he under-rotates it more than 90 degrees then it would be called a 4F< and be given the same BV as a triple flip (5.5) less 3 points for the fall, together with a one point fall deduction - he nets 1.5 points for that i.e. the same points as a base value double loop.

Ant

* This to me demonstrates perfectly why the quads should not increase in value - even with the 1 point deduction for a fall, you get the same points for falling on a quad as you do for standing up a satisfactory triple. This makes no sense to me.
An easy solution for this is to factor the negative GOE in such a manner that falling on a quad would score decently lower than standing up a satisfactory triple.

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Why not go for the 4A and get credit for a 3A if he underrotates? lol

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Because he'd likely fall and UR it, which means he'd lose a ridiculous amouont of points.

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I really dig Dai now. This guy has his own perspective and, dare I say, philosophy. His may be impractical. Nonetheless, I can respect it.

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Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
Because he'd likely fall and UR it, which means he'd lose a ridiculous amouont of points.
I think (s)he was joking.

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