Plushenko loses eligibility

Tonichelle · Jun 30, 2010

Re: Evgeni has lost his eligibility.

well then it sounds as if his federation and not the isu is playing games. Im sorry i just dont see them as the bad guy in all this. If the russian skating federation is playing favorites then plush appeals, and it will be overturned.

Mathman · Jun 30, 2010

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^ To me, the sense in which the ISU is the "bad guy" is that they have short-sighted rules that turn around and bite them in the butt.

A rising tide floats all ships, even the ISU's. It would be good for figure skating as a whole for Olympians to be given the option of bagging the subsequent worlds altogether -- bring on the new kids on the block! -- and party, party, party in shows and exhibitions.

NYscorp6 · Jul 1, 2010

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I have a hard time believing Evegni is losing any sleep over this. He wanted to win a 2nd Olympic gold, when it didn't happen he pouted. The World championships were never in the equation it seems, except for the Russian federation, who one should assume were anxious to receive an additional spot for the men next year. This drama will continue to play out leading upto the 2014 games, will he/won't he, can he/should he?

seniorita · Jul 1, 2010

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Drama will continue I guess cause Evgeni is not obliged to appeal now to have the eligibility back.
Ah i ll post the rules here as well, it took me a day and tone of help to understand (thank K

)

According to ISU

Mr. Evgeny Plushenko breached the
ISU eligibility rule 102, paragraph 2, i) of the ISU General Regulations

which says

2. Definition of an ineligible person
A person becomes ineligible to participate in ISU activities and competitions by:
i) skating or officiating without the prior express authorization of the respective Member, in any capacity in a Skating competition, exhibition or tour in any of the sport disciplines of the ISU;
ii) skating or officiating in a competition conducted by Officials (Referees, Technical Controllers, Technical Specialists, Judges, Starters, Competitors Stewards, etc.) not on the approved list of the respective Member or on the ISU approved list;
iii) skating or officiating in an event not sanctioned by a Member and/or the ISU; or
iv) otherwise violating this Rule 102.

103: 2. A person who is or has been ineligible may apply for reinstatement as a Skater only if such person had not violated Rule 102, paragraph 2 (ii) and (iii).

According to ISU announcement he violated rule i) so he can apply for reinstatement when he wants and not appeal now.

Jaana · Jul 2, 2010

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seniorita said:
According to ISU announcement he violated rule i) so he can apply for reinstatement when he wants and not appeal now.

This is the original ISU announcement:

http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1902 (page 4 & 5)

<Decision of the ISU Council on Eligibility of Mr. Evgeny Plushenko (RUS)
Based on evidence presented the Council has concluded that Mr. Evgeny Plushenko breached the ISU eligibility rule 102, paragraph 2, i) of the ISU General Regulations and as a consequence has become ineligible under paragraph 7 a) of that rule. The evidence has proved to the satisfaction of the Council that Mr. E. Plushenko, a skater and member of the Figure Skating Federation of Russia (FSFR), skated in exhibitions held in March and April 2010, in Russia and other countries, without the express prior authorization of the FSFR. Such activity is a breach of the ISU eligibility rules and results in the loss of eligibility.

The present decision communicated to both Mr E. Plushenko and the FSFR may be appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, Lausanne, Switzerland, within 21 days upon receipt of the decision, in accordance with Article 25, paragraph 2, c) of the ISU Constitution.>

The above states very clearly that Plushenko has lost his eligibility and has 21 days to appeal upon receipt of the decision.

seniorita · Jul 2, 2010

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yes thanx, I know what it says. He has 21 days to appeal to CAS for the decision they took now. That is about the decision and him going to Court.
And according to ISU rules they posted and if he hasnt done anything else that they have not posted when you lose your eligibility and it is not by violating ii) or iii) you have the right to make an application for reinstatement to ISU and they dont refer to any time frame.
Maybe someone with better english can explain it.

Jaana · Jul 2, 2010

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seniorita said:
yes thanx, I know what it says. He has 21 days to appeal to CAS for the decision they took now. That is about the decision and him going to Court.
And according to ISU rules they posted and if he hasnt done anything else that they have not posted when you lose your eligibility and it is not by violating ii) or iii) you have the right to make an application for reinstatement to ISU and they dont refer to any time frame.
Maybe someone with better english can explain it.

He has violated the iii rule as well, as far as I have understood (skating or officiating in an event not sanctioned by a Member and/or the ISU for him)? Besides, why would ISU send him and RF the decision about Plushenko having become ineligible and stated about the appeal time frame, if that is totally unnecessary for him to do = meaning that he could reinstate any time later (along your interpretation)?

seniorita · Jul 3, 2010

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lol this is not my interpretation, i posted the paragraphs :laugh:

Isu could have made a decision about Plushenko cutiing his mullet. He would have 21 days to appeal about this decision to CAS.
ONce he doesnt appeal the decision remains as it is. In the real case, if Plushenko does not appeal to CAS the decision remains as it is and he is ineligible. NOw ineligible Plushenko who didnt apeal to Cas has the right - according to ISU rules about ineligibility and reading their decision that he violated rule i) and according to ISU again about regain eligibility- he can apply for reistatement.
What is so difficult to understand?

He didnt skate in unsactioned event, the event was sactioned, but he didnt have a permission, thats a BIG difference. If the event was unsactioned you would have 30 skaters ineligible now. No matter if you think he did skate in unsactioned and I say he didnt, the bottom line is ISU obviously announced he violated rule i -you just posted the announcement-and that s not the rule of unsactioned event but having no permission.

Mathman · Jul 3, 2010

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I agree with Seniorita's explanation, and now the whole incident make a lot more sense. Pluhshenko could make a pro forma appeal of this decision (but he won't). in which he would have to argue that the decision is wrong and he did not violate any rules.

Or he could do nothing and let the decision stand. Then at any time in the future he, or the Russian Federation on his behalf, could petition for reinstatement as a separate matter. (I suppose Evgeny would have to say, "I'm sorry, I have learned my lesson and I won't do it again.

"

Anyway, now the whole thing looks like (a) the Russian Federation took this opportunity to send a message that it still controls its skaters, and they can skate only with the "permission" of the federation, and (b) the ISU got to send a warning to other skaters that they better follow the ISU rules if they know what's good for them!"

Looking down the road, if Russia doesn't have any outstanding young men to send to Sochi, they still have the option of dusting off grandpa and sending him back out there. :yes:

seniorita · Jul 3, 2010

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I knew a higher IQ than mine could understand me :laugh:

(i kid..sort of

)
Speaking of skating "grandpa"

, Michelle is turning 30 next week, and I feel suddently old, how do they grow up so fast :jaw:

Why dont you make a time machine. :hb:

tae04 · Jul 9, 2010

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The ISU eligibility rules have always been stupid to me. This is the only Olympic sport I believe that does this crap.

ImaginaryPogue · Jul 10, 2010

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tae04 said:
The ISU eligibility rules have always been stupid to me. This is the only Olympic sport I believe that does this crap.

Yes, with all the moguls shows and galas there are.

And_We_Shall · Jul 15, 2010

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tae04 said:
The ISU eligibility rules have always been stupid to me. This is the only Olympic sport I believe that does this crap.

The eligibility rules are a survival mechanism for the ISU. They avoid any organization rivaling them by controlling shows. Of course, the rules might be ineffective if the ISU did not have control over who can be in the Olympics (what good skater doesn't want to be in the Olympics?), but since they do, the ISU can keep other orgs. from building a comparable reputation and taking the good skaters (thereby destroying the ISU).

bigsisjiejie · Aug 23, 2010

Does this mean it's final?

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/c...-3787-4771-layout160-129898-news-item,00.html

I'm assuming so, and that Mr. P is essentially shutting the door on his eligible career. I don't expect to see him in Sochi.

janetfan · Aug 23, 2010

bigsisjiejie said:
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/c...-3787-4771-layout160-129898-news-item,00.html

I'm assuming so, and that Mr. P is essentially shutting the door on his eligible career. I don't expect to see him in Sochi.

For the time being Plushy is ineligible. I suspect Plushy has no real interest in competing this season anyway.
I think mathman's post # 69 explains the situation and possibilties quite well.

If the Russian Federation has no men as serious podium contenders heading into 2014 they will consider "dusting off grandpa" for Sochi.

Olympia · Aug 23, 2010

>chuckle< You're probably right, Janetfan. And it wouldn't be such a bad thing if they did. I don't always love Plushy's interpretations, but I admire him tremendously, for his talent and his drive. He takes skating seriously. He's always interesting and often impressive to watch.

sorcerer · Aug 23, 2010

Is there going to be any change in the Japan Open?

Jeff is ineligible so I assume nothing is wrong with the situation but the part that says "any ISU activity" .... sounds very mean to me.

janetfan · Aug 23, 2010

Olympia said:
>chuckle< You're probably right, Janetfan. And it wouldn't be such a bad thing if they did. I don't always love Plushy's interpretations, but I admire him tremendously, for his talent and his drive. He takes skating seriously. He's always interesting and often impressive to watch.

Thanks but it was actually mathman who called Plushy "grandpa."

I agree with you though. Plushy has had an amazing career.
I think it is possible we will see him competing in Sochi. Although it might feel like a longshot now - I would not be willing to bet against it.

Will Plushy "honor us with his presence in Sochi?"

sorcerer · Aug 23, 2010

This is a tiny portion from an interview with Plush which the Chukyo-TV did on 18th.

"My goal right now is of course to participate in the Sochi Olympics which will be held in my home country. And 5 or 6 years from now I would like to be challenging quad-quad combos. At this moment I am practicing 3A-quad combination."

"Skating is my everything, my whole life. I love figure skating. Of course I like shows but I also love competitive skating. Figure skating to me is how I live and how I work. That's why it's my everything."

ETA: The source is this; http://www.ctv.co.jp/straight/1008181155/figure.html

seniorita · Aug 23, 2010

any ISU activity...Japan Open is ISU competition?

sorcerer said:
And 5 or 6 years from now I would like to be challenging quad-quad combos. http://www.ctv.co.jp/straight/1008181155/figure.html

Someone drunk a lot of sake..I hope something is lost in translation here...
Mathman you called Plushy a grandpa?

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