Japanese Earthquake, Tsunami, and Nuclear Reactors
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Doris, I appreciate your efforts to give us information. It's such a hard event to process; everything going wrong at once, with attacks (as it were) by both earth and sea. I'm so glad for your expertise.
Seniorita, I hope your friends are and continue to be all right.
Seniorita, I hope your friends are and continue to be all right.
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them and their families are ok, but I can only imagine what they ve been through and sometimes media cause confusion and fear, i m really greatful you can learn so many things here besides skating and people in this board kept information straight and the appropriate level given the situation and worlds postponment etc..
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By all accounts, nothing all too exciting has happened yet today, thank goodness.
The wind is still blowing off shore, and the rain tends to leach contaminants out of the air.
The issue of pressure relief should remind you of the ideal gas law you learned in high school chemistry:
PV=nRT,
In short, if the volume is constant, as in a closed containment vessel with no pressure relief valve, if the Temperature goes up, the Pressure goes up.
I wish they could get the external power restored. After the problem with the spent fuel rod pool in Unit 4, TEPCO is reported pondering whether to do anything with Unit 5 and Unit 6:
The US nuclear industry update is here. The decrease in dose rate by a factor of 19.8 times is a good thing.
The IAEA has two updates. One that an earthquake in Honshu did not damage the nearby nuclear plant there, and the following update on Fukushina Daiichi:
And this:
It may have been a 6.4 earthquake, from the comments.
The wind is still blowing off shore, and the rain tends to leach contaminants out of the air.
The issue of pressure relief should remind you of the ideal gas law you learned in high school chemistry:
PV=nRT,
In short, if the volume is constant, as in a closed containment vessel with no pressure relief valve, if the Temperature goes up, the Pressure goes up.
I wish they could get the external power restored. After the problem with the spent fuel rod pool in Unit 4, TEPCO is reported pondering whether to do anything with Unit 5 and Unit 6:
The US nuclear industry update is here. The decrease in dose rate by a factor of 19.8 times is a good thing.
The IAEA has two updates. One that an earthquake in Honshu did not damage the nearby nuclear plant there, and the following update on Fukushina Daiichi:
And this:
It may have been a 6.4 earthquake, from the comments.
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An alternative (encouraging) point of view on the nuclear danger. I can only hope he's right about that. No encouragement from his warnings about the humanitarian disaster.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-press-puts-japanese-lives-risk-robert-zubrin
How the US can help (on the level of policy)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...n-also-itself-commentary-by-amity-shlaes.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-press-puts-japanese-lives-risk-robert-zubrin
How the US can help (on the level of policy)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...n-also-itself-commentary-by-amity-shlaes.html
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As I expressed before, I'm really touched and impressed by the courageous civility of the Japanese, especially in Tokyo, a city of 13 million or about 35 million in the Greter Tokyo.
http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet_en.html
"Disneyland gave out sweets from their shops. Some high school girls got many as they can. I thought why, but they gave the sweets for children in evacuation site. That was really moving scene."
"My two year old was putting his shoes on himself saying "I'm going to go arrest the Earthquake!" I realized that inside a tiny body, there is a lot of courage and Justice. Everyone, lets stand strong and get through this."
"So busy traffic. Only one car can go across the traffic light per one blue light, but I was moved to see people drive gently with giving their way. Some intersecions has been completly stopped for more than 5 min., but I've neber heard any horn sounds except the sounds said "Thank you" for 10 hours. I was sceard, but also I've had warming time, and came to like Japan more."
"Last night when I was tired out waiting for the train at the station, the homeless people gave me one of their cardboards to prevent the cold... even though we usually ignore them in daily life... So warm."
"I received an email from my Korean friend: "The only country to have experienced nuclear attacks. The country that lost the WWII. The country that suffers from typhoons every year and the earthquakes. However, isn't Japan the country that always stood up and overcame such difficulties? Gambare. Gambare." FYI, I am crying right now."
"Last night, when I walked back to home from Campus, a female baker gave us bread for free, even if she has already closed the store. It was moving that I could find people who do things they can do in such loud situation. My heart became warm. Tokyo is not something dumped."
"There was a train driver who had been working all night long. When I went up to him and said "It must be tough for you", he smiled and said to me, "What else can I do at a time like this?" Made me rethink about the people of Japan. Moved me."
"walked for 4 hours just to get home. Everyone was walking home silently, diligently. People working at the shops were doing their job. The Internet managed to hold, despite of the enormous overflow. Emergency shelters were opened and trains were quickly restored and ran all night. What a tough county. It doesn't matter what GDP we have."
"The vending machine, the internet wifi spot has been opened to the public; everyone is cooperating and people around the world are moved by this and are trying to help. We have changed since the time the Hanshin earthquake struck 16years ago. We have grown stronger."
"People of Japan, please do not lose your kind hearts. Be gentle to the weak, be helpful to each other, and always have a forgiving heart. Everyone is anxious, just like you. This is our prayer, and we shall also keep this in our hearts."
Last night, as I was walking home from college, I saw a lady at the bakery giving out free bread to everybody. It was way past store hours, and the streets were full of people. It encouraged me a lot to see people trying to help others at their own extent. Tokyo wasn’t such a cold place afterall.
@ayakishimoto
I said to the subway worker on duty throughout the night: “It must have been a hard night.” And he replied with a great big smile: “It’s the least I can do!”
@tadakatz
Dear our people in Japan— Don’t forget your kindness. Don’t forget to lend a hand, to help others, and the heart to forgive. You are not alone. We are with you.
@From the staff of “Ultraman”:
I walked four long hours. The streets were flooded with people, but everybody all quietly walked in order. Convenience stores and drug stores, supermarkets and gas stations— they all just kept on working. Internets managed to stay stable despite the quakes, so many places were opened for people that couldn’t go back home, and the trains somehow recovered and ran throughout the night. Japan kicks butt
It doesn’t matter what we rank in GDP.
On my four-hour walk home, a woman was standing out on the sidewalk holding up a sign that read “Please feel free to use our bathroom!” Japan is the most heartwarming country in the world. I just cried and cried.
@fujifumi
When the lights go out, there is somebody that comes to fix it. When the water runs out, there is somebody that comes to fix it. When there is an accident at the nuke plant, there is somebody that comes to fix it. There is ALWAYS somebody that comes. Even when we are all inside thinking “God damn it!” there is always somebody out there in the cold that comes to fix it.
@yoh22222
An NHK male news reporter steadily reads aloud the disaster situation and about the people at the evacuation centers until he comes across this news. “This mother was so stressed out that she could not produce milk anymore. She waited all night on an extremely long line until the supermarkets opened and finally got milk for her baby.” There was a long silence, as if you would think that there was some kind of transmission problem. He recovered rather quickly but I caught tears in his eyes, and mine, too, welled up.
@bitboi
From a friend from Chiba— An old man spilled out “What’s going to happen next?” A young boy, probably in high-school, sitting next to the old man replied, “It’s okay. Hang on for just a little while. When we grow up, I swear we will fix everything back together again.” The boy kept rubbing the old man’s back. A bright future, that’s what’s next!
@nekoshima83
An old man was rescued after being stranded in a house for 42 hours. He smiled at the camera, “I’ve experienced the tsunami at Chili. I’ve seen everybody get back on their feet. I know we can do it.”
@mameo65
M9.0 marks it as the biggest earthquake ever. Let us mark our love and energy to reconstruct as the biggest ever.
@junyaishikawa
So busy traffic. Only one car can go across the traffic light per one blue light, but I was moved to see people drive gently with giving their way. Some intersecions has been completly stopped for more than 5 min., but I’ve neber heard any horn sounds except the sounds said “Thank you” for 10 hours. I was sceard, but also I’ve had warming time, and came to like Japan more.
@micakom
Last night when I was tired out waiting for the train at the station, the homeless people gave me one of their cardboards to prevent the cold… even though we usually ignore them in daily life… So warm.
@aquarius
The vending machine, the internet wifi spot has been opened to the public; everyone is cooperating and people around the world are moved by this and are trying to help. We have changed since the time the Hanshin earthquake struck 16years ago. We have grown stronger.
@dita_69
People buying things at scattering supermarkets, with picking up thing fell off, and making line to pay. Elder person who gave his seat to a pregnant mother, even in a crowded train which just started the operation. Foreigners shocked by these sight. These must be real. Amazing, Japan.
@kiritansu
http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet_en.html
"Disneyland gave out sweets from their shops. Some high school girls got many as they can. I thought why, but they gave the sweets for children in evacuation site. That was really moving scene."
"My two year old was putting his shoes on himself saying "I'm going to go arrest the Earthquake!" I realized that inside a tiny body, there is a lot of courage and Justice. Everyone, lets stand strong and get through this."
"So busy traffic. Only one car can go across the traffic light per one blue light, but I was moved to see people drive gently with giving their way. Some intersecions has been completly stopped for more than 5 min., but I've neber heard any horn sounds except the sounds said "Thank you" for 10 hours. I was sceard, but also I've had warming time, and came to like Japan more."
"Last night when I was tired out waiting for the train at the station, the homeless people gave me one of their cardboards to prevent the cold... even though we usually ignore them in daily life... So warm."
"I received an email from my Korean friend: "The only country to have experienced nuclear attacks. The country that lost the WWII. The country that suffers from typhoons every year and the earthquakes. However, isn't Japan the country that always stood up and overcame such difficulties? Gambare. Gambare." FYI, I am crying right now."
"Last night, when I walked back to home from Campus, a female baker gave us bread for free, even if she has already closed the store. It was moving that I could find people who do things they can do in such loud situation. My heart became warm. Tokyo is not something dumped."
"There was a train driver who had been working all night long. When I went up to him and said "It must be tough for you", he smiled and said to me, "What else can I do at a time like this?" Made me rethink about the people of Japan. Moved me."
"walked for 4 hours just to get home. Everyone was walking home silently, diligently. People working at the shops were doing their job. The Internet managed to hold, despite of the enormous overflow. Emergency shelters were opened and trains were quickly restored and ran all night. What a tough county. It doesn't matter what GDP we have."
"The vending machine, the internet wifi spot has been opened to the public; everyone is cooperating and people around the world are moved by this and are trying to help. We have changed since the time the Hanshin earthquake struck 16years ago. We have grown stronger."
"People of Japan, please do not lose your kind hearts. Be gentle to the weak, be helpful to each other, and always have a forgiving heart. Everyone is anxious, just like you. This is our prayer, and we shall also keep this in our hearts."
Last night, as I was walking home from college, I saw a lady at the bakery giving out free bread to everybody. It was way past store hours, and the streets were full of people. It encouraged me a lot to see people trying to help others at their own extent. Tokyo wasn’t such a cold place afterall.
@ayakishimoto
I said to the subway worker on duty throughout the night: “It must have been a hard night.” And he replied with a great big smile: “It’s the least I can do!”
@tadakatz
Dear our people in Japan— Don’t forget your kindness. Don’t forget to lend a hand, to help others, and the heart to forgive. You are not alone. We are with you.
@From the staff of “Ultraman”:
I walked four long hours. The streets were flooded with people, but everybody all quietly walked in order. Convenience stores and drug stores, supermarkets and gas stations— they all just kept on working. Internets managed to stay stable despite the quakes, so many places were opened for people that couldn’t go back home, and the trains somehow recovered and ran throughout the night. Japan kicks butt
It doesn’t matter what we rank in GDP.
On my four-hour walk home, a woman was standing out on the sidewalk holding up a sign that read “Please feel free to use our bathroom!” Japan is the most heartwarming country in the world. I just cried and cried.
@fujifumi
When the lights go out, there is somebody that comes to fix it. When the water runs out, there is somebody that comes to fix it. When there is an accident at the nuke plant, there is somebody that comes to fix it. There is ALWAYS somebody that comes. Even when we are all inside thinking “God damn it!” there is always somebody out there in the cold that comes to fix it.
@yoh22222
An NHK male news reporter steadily reads aloud the disaster situation and about the people at the evacuation centers until he comes across this news. “This mother was so stressed out that she could not produce milk anymore. She waited all night on an extremely long line until the supermarkets opened and finally got milk for her baby.” There was a long silence, as if you would think that there was some kind of transmission problem. He recovered rather quickly but I caught tears in his eyes, and mine, too, welled up.
@bitboi
From a friend from Chiba— An old man spilled out “What’s going to happen next?” A young boy, probably in high-school, sitting next to the old man replied, “It’s okay. Hang on for just a little while. When we grow up, I swear we will fix everything back together again.” The boy kept rubbing the old man’s back. A bright future, that’s what’s next!
@nekoshima83
An old man was rescued after being stranded in a house for 42 hours. He smiled at the camera, “I’ve experienced the tsunami at Chili. I’ve seen everybody get back on their feet. I know we can do it.”
@mameo65
M9.0 marks it as the biggest earthquake ever. Let us mark our love and energy to reconstruct as the biggest ever.
@junyaishikawa
So busy traffic. Only one car can go across the traffic light per one blue light, but I was moved to see people drive gently with giving their way. Some intersecions has been completly stopped for more than 5 min., but I’ve neber heard any horn sounds except the sounds said “Thank you” for 10 hours. I was sceard, but also I’ve had warming time, and came to like Japan more.
@micakom
Last night when I was tired out waiting for the train at the station, the homeless people gave me one of their cardboards to prevent the cold… even though we usually ignore them in daily life… So warm.
@aquarius
The vending machine, the internet wifi spot has been opened to the public; everyone is cooperating and people around the world are moved by this and are trying to help. We have changed since the time the Hanshin earthquake struck 16years ago. We have grown stronger.
@dita_69
People buying things at scattering supermarkets, with picking up thing fell off, and making line to pay. Elder person who gave his seat to a pregnant mother, even in a crowded train which just started the operation. Foreigners shocked by these sight. These must be real. Amazing, Japan.
@kiritansu
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Oh my gosh, what beautiful stories. It reminds me of NYC after 9/11.
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Those are beautiful stories.
And the resilience and strength of the Japanese people is so wonderful.
It is perhaps time to remember the stories of Hiroshima and Nagasaki-not the story of the bombs, but the story of the rebuilding. For the Japanese people did not just abandon those cities to the wild when they were bombed flat, and full of radioactive waste.
http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/kids/KPSH_E/hiroshima_e/sadako_e/subcontents_e/12yomigaeru_1_e.html
In 1958, the population of Hiroshima was the same as it had been before the war, and Hiroshima rededicated itself as a Peace City.
Hiroshima today:
http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/kids/KPSH_E/hiroshima_e/sadako_e/subcontents_e/images_e/17_1.jpg
The Japanese will rebuild, and I hope we all will help, at least a little bit.
And the resilience and strength of the Japanese people is so wonderful.
It is perhaps time to remember the stories of Hiroshima and Nagasaki-not the story of the bombs, but the story of the rebuilding. For the Japanese people did not just abandon those cities to the wild when they were bombed flat, and full of radioactive waste.
http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/kids/KPSH_E/hiroshima_e/sadako_e/subcontents_e/12yomigaeru_1_e.html
In 1958, the population of Hiroshima was the same as it had been before the war, and Hiroshima rededicated itself as a Peace City.
Hiroshima today:
http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/kids/KPSH_E/hiroshima_e/sadako_e/subcontents_e/images_e/17_1.jpg
The Japanese will rebuild, and I hope we all will help, at least a little bit.
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Nothing new from TEPCO
IAEA update-It's good to know that there is at least one operating diesel that might keep units 5 & 6 properly in cold shutdown.
IAEA update-It's good to know that there is at least one operating diesel that might keep units 5 & 6 properly in cold shutdown.
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Just another reminder of the historic nature of the disaster even without the added nuclear threat :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12740649
I've always felt admiration for Japanese bravery and stoicism , but it's risen to new heights witnessing the events of the last few days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12740649
I've always felt admiration for Japanese bravery and stoicism , but it's risen to new heights witnessing the events of the last few days.
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The NEI organization seems to have a few more details. This was posted 3 hours ago. Somehow, TEPCO is keeping the water level up in Units 1 & 2 today. No specific info on Unit 3 here.
May the wind keep blowing over the Pacific.
May the wind keep blowing over the Pacific.
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What I'm seeing after the Japanese disaster is that people are NATURALLY good. We are not born evil. There have been no cases of looting or price gouging in Japan. Also, China, long to have a history of not liking Japan after the occupation was one of the first nations to send aid and soldiers to help find survivors. The Chinese were impressed with how the Japanese were conducting themselves!
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/15/134567659/china-acts-fast-in-aiding-japan-post-earthquake
And, of course, miracles like this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/201103...y70yearoldwomanfoundalivexidrssfullworldyahoo
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/15/134567659/china-acts-fast-in-aiding-japan-post-earthquake
And, of course, miracles like this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/201103...y70yearoldwomanfoundalivexidrssfullworldyahoo
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Thank you so much doris and everybody for info regarding to the incident. In this kind of situation, it delight to see good nature and kindness of the people. I hope with all my heart that the situation will get better.
For anyone who following the nuclear situation you can also follow at Aljazeera live blog
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/asia/japans-nuclear-emergency-live-blog
It update the current situation, easy to understand and not use hyperbole language compare to other international news agency.
Best wish to those who are affected and Japanese people. You are not alone.
For anyone who following the nuclear situation you can also follow at Aljazeera live blog
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/asia/japans-nuclear-emergency-live-blog
It update the current situation, easy to understand and not use hyperbole language compare to other international news agency.
Best wish to those who are affected and Japanese people. You are not alone.
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So far no updates on TEPCO, IAEA, or NEI today, since the 9 PM EDT update yesterday, and nothing new on the relatively reliable Twitters I'm following or in facebook.
The Daina reports, which used to have radiation info from that site (10 km from Daiichi), only report that all 4 reactors are successfully in cold shutdown, and that outside power is present.
At some point today, there will be an IAEA Daily briefing. When I see it, I'll post it here.
The Daina reports, which used to have radiation info from that site (10 km from Daiichi), only report that all 4 reactors are successfully in cold shutdown, and that outside power is present.
At some point today, there will be an IAEA Daily briefing. When I see it, I'll post it here.
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All 6 reactors were designed by General Electric in the first place. They should clean this mess up.
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TEPCO now has a couple of releases, mostly ones that cover events for which press releases were not posted yesterday. On TV here in the US, it was stated that now 70 workers are on site.
The daily status for 2PM Mar 16th, Tokyo time, which is a rollup of the last four days occurrences. There is some more info about the Daini reactors. And info about the larger problem with simply getting electric power returned to customers. The two radiation events at the boundary of the Daini plant on the 14th and 15th were likely due to events at Daiichi. :
and more details about the fire at Unit 4:
And an older yet release on the incident that occurred at Unit 4, followed by the rise in radiation, followed by the evacuation of all but 50 workers:
I missed this on youtube from yesterday:
IAEA Director General's Briefing from March 15th, discussing the fire in the spent fuel pool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZB8Br3T2Sk
The daily status for 2PM Mar 16th, Tokyo time, which is a rollup of the last four days occurrences. There is some more info about the Daini reactors. And info about the larger problem with simply getting electric power returned to customers. The two radiation events at the boundary of the Daini plant on the 14th and 15th were likely due to events at Daiichi. :
and more details about the fire at Unit 4:
And an older yet release on the incident that occurred at Unit 4, followed by the rise in radiation, followed by the evacuation of all but 50 workers:
I missed this on youtube from yesterday:
IAEA Director General's Briefing from March 15th, discussing the fire in the spent fuel pool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZB8Br3T2Sk
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So you are saying if I sell you a car and several years later you crash it into a house that I should come clean up your mess ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant
Fukushina Daiichi Units 1, 2 and 6 were supplied by GE.
Units 3 and 5 were supplied by Toshiba.
Unit 4 was supplied by Hitachi.
On site construction was done by Kajima for all units.
All the plants are managed by Tokyo Electric.
Daiichi Reactor 1 was built in 1967, and brought on line in 1971. Design by Ebasco.
Daiichi Reactor 2 was built in 1969, and brought on line in 1974. Design by Ebasco.
Daiichi Reactor 3 was built in 1970, and brought on line in 1976. Design by Toshiba.
Daiichi Reactor 4 was built in 1972, and brought on line in 1978. Design by Hitachi.
Daiichi Reactor 5 was built in 1973, and brought on line in 1978. Design by Toshiba.
Daiichi Reactor 6 was built in 1972, and brought on line in 1979. Design by Ebasco.
They were all relatively old, and had not been brought up to date as much as one would like, so the TV said.
Fukushina Daiichi Units 1, 2 and 6 were supplied by GE.
Units 3 and 5 were supplied by Toshiba.
Unit 4 was supplied by Hitachi.
On site construction was done by Kajima for all units.
All the plants are managed by Tokyo Electric.
Daiichi Reactor 1 was built in 1967, and brought on line in 1971. Design by Ebasco.
Daiichi Reactor 2 was built in 1969, and brought on line in 1974. Design by Ebasco.
Daiichi Reactor 3 was built in 1970, and brought on line in 1976. Design by Toshiba.
Daiichi Reactor 4 was built in 1972, and brought on line in 1978. Design by Hitachi.
Daiichi Reactor 5 was built in 1973, and brought on line in 1978. Design by Toshiba.
Daiichi Reactor 6 was built in 1972, and brought on line in 1979. Design by Ebasco.
They were all relatively old, and had not been brought up to date as much as one would like, so the TV said.
I read that the reactors were a kind called Mark 1, which has been criticized in recent years because in order to make a smaller and less expensive reactor, they used a smaller containment structure. The article I read (can't remember where) said that in all fairness, one can't know whether even a more massive containment structure could have withstood what happened on Friday. But there has been criticism of this style of reactor, and in the U.S., such reactors have received certain modifications and retro-fittings that may not have been performed on the ones in Japan.
Doris, please correct me if I've said anything inaccurate.
Doris, please correct me if I've said anything inaccurate.
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Well, strictly speaking, the reactors, although not of current design and quite old, and not up to date in the way that US older reactors have been updated since Three Mile Island in 1979, did withstand the Level 9 earthquake and tsunami, including the containment structures.
What didn't withstand it was the diesel backup system, because it was planned for a tsunami height of 20 feet and experienced a wave height of 30 feet (peak to trough-I don't have the exact height for sure of the wave as it hit Daiichi-if anyone knows, I would like to know too).
In fact, this is an issue in some ways that the US has been dealing with since Sept. 11th-there used to be a great deal of checking, planning, regulation and so forth for the reactor part of nuclear plants, but not as much for the explicitly non-nuclear parts of the site (turbines, diesel generators, cooling structures, and such). Rules there were the same as they were for normal power plants. Since Sept. 11, these areas in the US have been upgraded, and subjected to much greater scrutiny, but perhaps not in Japan?
In any case, I wish the same scrutiny and regulation were done at normal power plants as well.
This letter was written today (not by me-a good friend forwarded it to me) Among other things it describes what went on in the US:
What didn't withstand it was the diesel backup system, because it was planned for a tsunami height of 20 feet and experienced a wave height of 30 feet (peak to trough-I don't have the exact height for sure of the wave as it hit Daiichi-if anyone knows, I would like to know too).
In fact, this is an issue in some ways that the US has been dealing with since Sept. 11th-there used to be a great deal of checking, planning, regulation and so forth for the reactor part of nuclear plants, but not as much for the explicitly non-nuclear parts of the site (turbines, diesel generators, cooling structures, and such). Rules there were the same as they were for normal power plants. Since Sept. 11, these areas in the US have been upgraded, and subjected to much greater scrutiny, but perhaps not in Japan?
In any case, I wish the same scrutiny and regulation were done at normal power plants as well.
This letter was written today (not by me-a good friend forwarded it to me) Among other things it describes what went on in the US:
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