I dare to ask, why is that? Yes, Plushenko has had an unsteady LP. What about SP? Was that fair to have a none-quad skater scored around 90, so close to a near perfect quad skater?
I know that is your humor biting what you believe in. No problem, we all do it sarcastically.I would do it the other way around. Keep the short program as is and let the skaters try to work in the elements as part of the choreography if they are able.
Then for the long program -- no music, just a time limit. Do as many jumps and spins as you can in four-and-a-half minutes. :yes:
I contend that the Long Program may show everything one needs for an emotional lift. My only correction would be the LP should change into the Free Skate as it used to be; and the SP be converted into a Test of Element Skills as the original figure skating rules applied.
I know that is your humor biting what you believe in. No problem, we all do it sarcastically.
However, would you negate all the Medals earned during the school figures eras because you did not get emotionally involved?
I contend that the Long Program may show everything one needs for an emotional lift. My only correction would be the LP should change into the Free Skate as it used to be; and the SP be converted into a Test of Element Skills as the original figure skating rules applied.
In 2010, Plushenko has a 4.1 base value advantage (3.7 over Takahashi, who didn’t have the GOEs Lysacek got).
However, would you negate all the Medals earned during the school figures eras because you did not get emotionally involved?
Just to be nit-picky, but Takahashi got slightly greater GOEs than Lysacek (Dai got 8.5 points out of GOE to Evan's 8.3), and with a Level 4 step sequence actually beat Lysacek in the technical score. Again I'm reminded why i was left scratching my head that Lysacek could possibly beat Dai in the SP. He won it on PCS, which doesn't even begin to make sense to me as I think Dai is the stronger skater PCS-wise.
by the protocols you posted, it doesnt look like Evgeni had an average skate besides the quad, level 4 in spins, level 3 in footwork and nice axel and lutz I believe PCS inflation happened to more skaters rather than Plushy alone, not telling namesIf he only did a 3-3, he probably would've dropped out of the top five the rest of his performance was behind par. The quad-PCS bonus/reputation helped him a great deal at Vancouver.
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by the protocols you posted, it doesnt look like Evgeni had an average skate besides the quad, level 4 in spins, level 3 in footwork and nice axel and lutz I believe PCS inflation happened to more skaters rather than Plushy alone, not telling names
what score would you have given Plushenko for that skate without a quad?
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That is what doing a quad triple meant? Just goes to show doing a 4/3 meant nothing under COP at the 2010 Olympics.
Was that fair to have a none-quad skater scored around 90, so close to a near perfect quad skater?
. He and Frank Carroll both were smart. But I couldn't say that he was brave. Such an Olympic gold medalist was, is, and will be remembered, but in a different way. Poor Evan!
I dunno, Evan and all the other skaters trained for years in pursuit of their Olympic dreams.
I think every skater that goes out on the ice alone for four minutes knowing so many are watching and with so much on the line is brave enough for me.
Sometimes champions are measured by their competitors. The 2010 Men's field in Vancouver was considered the deepest in Olympic history.
Just winning a medal in Vancouver was quite a feat. To win Gold was pretty special. What the Silver medalist accomplished might feel bittersweet to his fans but was still very special and even remarkable.
Evan will be remembered for holding his nerve and beating not just a deep field but also a legendary skater named Plushenko.
"Poor Evan" :think:
I think Evan is pretty fortunate.
All of the ABOVE....
It's time to ditch that SP which doesn't really show much of the Technical aspects of skating. The replacement should be a Test of Elements without music . Whatever "artistry" there is in the SP is much clearer in the LP anyway.
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What always bothers me about the criticism of Evan in this competition is that it tends to fault him personally, as if he did something bad by winning; as if he handed in something substandard. He did his best and pushed himself to the limit. Plushy also did his best and pushed himself to the limit. Neither man was sitting on the judges' panel. The judges quantified and made a ruling. Lysacek didn't hold them at gunpoint. Frank Carroll didn't send someone with brass knuckles to the judges' panel. Maybe the judges themselves didn't even realize that they were giving the medal to Lysacek. They just gave a decimal grade and pushed buttons. As Irina Slutskaya said, "This is sport."
And for my money, Lysacek is a dandy Olympic champion. He's hardworking and has always tried to better himself. He's relatively modest, at least in public. He's loyal to his coach. He's incredibly articulate and self-possessed in front of a microphone--I'll never forget that splendid interview he gave to Bob Costas the day or so after his win, when Costas tried to push him into responding to Plushenko's gripes. And, skaters being the the intrepid, hungry athletes they are, the fact that Evan didn't have a quad won't "discourage" other skaters from doing quads. Does anyone seriously think that Patrick Chan or Daisuke Takahashi, or Oda whose ancestor was a Samurai, will "hold back" and play it safe from now on? Rubbish. Evan could no more pollute the future of skating than could Katarina Witt, whose main trait was her absolute coolness under pressure but who had very little innovative influence. She's still a double Olympic champion and a skating immortal, and good for her, too.
If you want a 2010 Olympic podium that pushed the envelope, look at the ladies' gold and silver medalists. Maybe the men will do this next time, in Sochi.