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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    Patrick Chan proved that a skater with the powerful federation support and 3 quads could have a chance to become a world champion with ONE clean 3A. But the judges might be less generous if a rival with 2 different quads and solid 3A takes the challenge. The Lysacek (Buttle) phenomenon is the thing of the past. THAT won't happen in foreseeable future. Many people agree that new rules on jumps are introduced to prevent such things to happen again.
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    But that skater with his beautiful 3As and quads galore may have a wimpy federation behind him, like the US, or Japan, or Russia. Alas. Poor chap.
    What this analysis leaves out is the quality of the skating between the difficult jumps.
    A skater with some difficult successful jumps and also success on the less difficult jumps, successful good and/or difficult spins and steps, good skating skills and transitions between the elements, and good presentation will have an advantage over a skater who is just mediocre at all those things but has an extra difficult jump or two.

    Certain kinds of mistakes on the part of the skater with more jumps, or certain areas of being even better than just "good" on the part of the one without can also

    I.e., high GOEs and high components will mostly be deserved and can make up for

    The only thing an influential federation might do is to nudge deservedly high PCS even higher if it sets the expectations of the foreign judges regarding that skater especially high, since to some degree judges will see what they expect to see.

    But if what the skater puts out there really is good, it will be rewarded. And lots of small to medium rewards can add up to more than the value of one big jump.

    E.g., fourth at Europeans without a triple axel:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnAybUp1v_c

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Actually I believe it is way better for a young skater to be criticized mildly than to be overhyped and gushed over the top...
    Well, I think we should acknowledge weaknesses in each skater's skating as well as their strengths. But I don't see any need to get personal about it and criticize the skaters as people, especially with young teenagers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    What this analysis leaves out is the quality of the skating between the difficult jumps.
    A skater with some difficult successful jumps and also success on the less difficult jumps, successful good and/or difficult spins and steps, good skating skills and transitions between the elements, and good presentation will have an advantage over a skater who is just mediocre at all those things but has an extra difficult jump or two.
    Exactly.

    Well, I think we should acknowledge weaknesses in each skater's skating as well as their strengths. But I don't see any need to get personal about it and criticize the skaters as people, especially with young teenagers.
    Well said, gkelly. Some family members and friends of these skaters (or even the skaters themselves) may be reading constructive and not-so-constructive criticism by fans here on the Internet forums for the first time and it can be a bit of a jarring experience.

    It should be noted that this is the first season that JGP videos for every skater/team are being posted by the ISU on YouTube... and inevitably the skating performances are being analyzed/nitpicked (and hopefully enjoyed as well! ) by skating fans, some of whom who may be applying the same criteria and/or standards to these juniors as they do to the seniors on the Senior Grand Prix, etc. The JGP is a developmental series and the majority of these young skaters are not likely to reach and/or succeed at the senior international level. Of course it is fun to try and spot exciting new talent and discuss the potential of some of these youngsters -- and opine whether or not they will "make it" as seniors -- but I think it is important to remember that ALL of these JGP skaters are trying to progress and improve at their own respective rates and abilities, and they should all be commended for putting themselves "out there."
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    I beileve in equal opportunity and don't write anybody off, which is especially unkind on the young ones. There are different paths for different individuals in their developments. We can have our own preferences but as far as competition results are concerned, there is a system in place and fans' personal opinions don't matter. All the skaters have to earn their way into competitions and medals. I say let them be and let them compete and bravo to all successes regardless of age, style, height, body type, looks and of course backgrounds.

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    doris..Thanks for that..yeah, the blues were apros pos and Cam's just a treat...

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    I couldn't resist, colleen.

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