Carolina Kostner: A wake up call to other skaters to focus more on artistry?

sequinsgalore said:

Carolina Kostner

3Lo
3F - holds onto landing
ChSp
2A
FCSp
2A+2T
3T+2T
3S
3S-three-turn+2T+1T
SlSt
FCCoSp
CCoSp

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Mao88 said:

The following were the main elements of Carolina Kostner's LP today:-




You will note that there was no triple Lutz and Carolina knows full well that she simply does not have the same jumping ability as some of her rivals. So what does she do? Its quite simple - she focuses on those elements she can do very well and makes sure that she executes them as perfectly as she can. Whilst her programs are filled with the less difficult jumps, she also makes sure that she packs them with very well executed spins (she got level 4's on all of them today), spirals, and step sequences. But more importantly, her programs are very well choreographed and presented, with plenty of artistry and speed across the ice. And that is why she got 120.26 today despite a couple of mistakes on her jumps. Look at the PCS she got in her free skate - 63.31! That says it all. There is a lesson in this for other skaters and it is that under COP, you don't have to be the best jumper to be successful and there is a lot of mileage to be gained from injecting more artistry, musicality, better choreography and presentation into a program. Hence, I think more coaches need to take this on board. Carolina is essentially demonstrating this season and jumping ability is not the be all and end all, and that you can still be winner by focusing on the other elements in figure skating.

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Mrs. P said:

The irony is that her early success (2003-2005 era) came on the tech side with her great 3-3 and 3-3-2. It is great to see that she's seeing success by doing a completely different approach.

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loren said:

I agree that Kostner has found her way of "winning", but if that technical content is what it's going to take her to be a champion, then....

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evangeline said:

I think the success of Carolina's tech content is more indicative of the current state of the ladies' field instead of a clarion call for more emphasis on artistry. Once the variables shift--e.g. Mao gets back on track, Adelina gets her nerves under control and skates more like she did last season, Yu-Na/Miki returns, whatever--the fight for the ladies' podium is going to be considerably more difficult for Carolina.

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Mao88 said:

The following were the main elements of Carolina Kostner's LP today:-




You will note that there was no triple Lutz and Carolina knows full well that she simply does not have the same jumping ability as some of her rivals. So what does she do? Its quite simple - she focuses on those elements she can do very well and makes sure that she executes them as perfectly as she can. Whilst her programs are filled with the less difficult jumps, she also makes sure that she packs them with very well executed spins (she got level 4's on all of them today), spirals, and step sequences (earning 19.19 today for her spins, spirals, and steps, etc (the non-jump elements) - the highest of the competition). But more importantly, her programs are very well choreographed and presented, with plenty of artistry and speed across the ice. And that is why she got 120.26 today despite a couple of mistakes on her jumps. Look at the PCS she got in her free skate - 63.31! That says it all. There is a lesson in this for other skaters and it is that under COP, you don't have to be the best jumper to be successful and there is a lot of mileage to be gained from injecting more artistry, musicality, better choreography and presentation into a program. Hence, I think more coaches need to take this on board. Carolina is essentially demonstrating this season that jumping ability is not the be all and end all, and that you can still be a winner by focusing on the other elements in figure skating.

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Mrs. P said:

I protested this last year, but today there was no question that she deserved to win. Mirai had harder jumps, but they were tentative and I was not feeling her program. Adelina was also tentative and nervous.

My hopes is that we'll see the 3-3 down the road...once that happens...oh my...

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bekalc said:

I don't think Mirai had harder jumps. Nagasu had no 3flip in this competition, no 3 salchow, and she did 3flutzs, which she underrotated. While I realliy do think jump content needs to be rewarded more. I find the criticism of Kostner being 3lutz less, while excusing a girl who only attempted 3 types of triples, and only 2 of them were correct attempts, to be frankly unfair.

Kostner can do the 3lutz, and is one of the only few women in the world who can do the 3lutz and the 3flip on correct edges. Its always been a shaky jump for her, and frankly at this point I don't see why she should bother attempting it (although I think they may add in) I find the concept that it was perfectly okay for Ando to win worlds with no 3flip or Kim with no 3loop but we all rag on Kostner's lack of a lutz to be unfair.

Start rewarding bonus points for doing all the triples and maybe someone like Kostner and Ando would see the value of risking it.

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bekalc said:

I don't think Mirai had harder jumps. Nagasu had no 3flip in this competition, no 3 salchow, and she did 3flutzs, which she underrotated. While I realliy do think jump content needs to be rewarded more. I find the criticism of Kostner being 3lutz less, while excusing a girl who only attempted 3 types of triples, and only 2 of them were correct attempts, to be frankly unfair.

Kostner can do the 3lutz, and is one of the only few women in the world who can do the 3lutz and the 3flip on correct edges. Its always been a shaky jump for her, and frankly at this point I don't see why she should bother attempting it (although I think they may add in) I find the concept that it was perfectly okay for Ando to win worlds with no 3flip or Kim with no 3loop but we all rag on Kostner's lack of a lutz to be unfair.

Start rewarding bonus points for doing all the triples and maybe someone like Kostner and Ando would see the value of risking it.

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bekalc said:

I don't think Mirai had harder jumps. Nagasu had no 3flip in this competition, no 3 salchow, and she did 3flutzs, which she underrotated. While I realliy do think jump content needs to be rewarded more. I find the criticism of Kostner being 3lutz less, while excusing a girl who only attempted 3 types of triples, and only 2 of them were correct attempts, to be frankly unfair.

Kostner can do the 3lutz, and is one of the only few women in the world who can do the 3lutz and the 3flip on correct edges. Its always been a shaky jump for her, and frankly at this point I don't see why she should bother attempting it (although I think they may add in) I find the concept that it was perfectly okay for Ando to win worlds with no 3flip or Kim with no 3loop but we all rag on Kostner's lack of a lutz to be unfair.

Start rewarding bonus points for doing all the triples and maybe someone like Kostner and Ando would see the value of risking it.

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burntBREAD said:

Carolina said herself this year that's she going to progressively add in content as the season goes on, because she wants to skate cleanly first and peak later. The British Eurosport commentators said that she was planning a 3F-3T in her LP. Maybe now that she's guaranteed into GPF, she'll go for more difficult jumps at TEB since really there's nothing to lose?

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