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dorispulaski

Wicked Yankee Girl
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Country
United-States
1 Risa SHOJI JPN 51.53 27.30 24.23 6.25 5.82 6.11 5.96 6.14 0.00 #3
2 Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS 45.24 21.76 23.48 6.04 5.54 5.89 5.93 5.96 0.00 #1
3 Zijun LI CHN 43.10 22.38 22.72 6.00 5.57 5.39 5.82 5.61 2.00 #2


Poor Zijun! 2 deductions.

Vanessa Lam up next. Her season's best is less than Risa's score.
 

gold12345

Medalist
Joined
Dec 14, 2007
The lack of video is so annoying. The ISU was quicker putting up video for the regular JGPs. Hopefully they will at least post something by the end of the day.
 

FlattFan

Match Penalty
Joined
Jan 4, 2010
Vanessa scored a SB, and a PB.
She beat Risa in just PE. The rest are a bit lower.
 

FlattFan

Match Penalty
Joined
Jan 4, 2010
Surprised Polina got the highest PCS so far. In her previous GP events, hers were like 4th or 5th. In the final, I expected hers to be 6th.
 

FlattFan

Match Penalty
Joined
Jan 4, 2010
1 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS 59.98 1
2 Polina SHELEPEN RUS 54.99 2
3 Vanessa LAM USA 54.34 3
4 Risa SHOJI JPN 51.53 4
5 Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS 45.24 5
6 Zijun LI CHN 43.10 6

1. Julia is definitely going to win.
2-4. All 3 have a PB of 106.XX in the LP. So if they skated to their best, they will keep their standing.
5-6. Fighting for 5-6. Both 5-6 have PB LP significantly lower than 2-4.
 
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dorispulaski

Wicked Yankee Girl
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Country
United-States
1 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS 59.98 33.55 26.43 6.68 6.43 6.75 6.61 6.57 0.00 #6
2 Polina SHELEPEN RUS 54.99 30.30 24.69 6.29 6.04 6.21 6.11 6.21 0.00 #5
3 Vanessa LAM USA 54.34 30.45 23.89 6.11 5.82 6.14 5.82 5.96 0.00 #4
4 Risa SHOJI JPN 51.53 27.30 24.23 6.25 5.82 6.11 5.96 6.14 0.00 #3
5 Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS 45.24 21.76 23.48 6.04 5.54 5.89 5.93 5.96 0.00 #1
6 Zijun LI CHN 43.10 22.38 22.72 6.00 5.57 5.39 5.82 5.61 2.00 #2


Protocols
http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpf1112/gpf1112_JuniorLadies_SP_Scores.pdf
 

FlattFan

Match Penalty
Joined
Jan 4, 2010
I think Julia should cool it with those ... moves where she stretched her legs to some really uncomfortable and ugly positions. God, her PE should be like 2 for constantly showing ugliness. ... Not elegant, not pretty, just straight up circus tricks.

I would put her third to last. Definitely lower than Risa.

Polina and Vanessa scored about right.
 
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koatcue

Medalist
Joined
Aug 31, 2011
Country
Russia
I think Julia should cool it with those moves where she stretched her legs to some really uncomfortable and ugly positions. God, her PE should be like 2 for constantly showing ugliness. .... Not elegant, not pretty, just straight up circus tricks.

I would put her third to last. Definitely lower than Risa.

Polina and Vanessa scored about right.

Pfff...Classless remark.
 
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mskater93

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 22, 2005
While FlattFan was a bit, uh, demonstrative and maybe a little over the top in his/her description, I think Lipnitskaya needs different choreography to SHOWCASE her skills rather than a program that looks to me like someone took a rhythmic gymnastics exercise and put it on skates with figure skating jumps between. Yes, she's flexible, we get it, but to keep doing the same flexibility move for very short bursts (1-2 seconds or less) over and over again just detracts and distracts from her program, in my opinion.
 

koatcue

Medalist
Joined
Aug 31, 2011
Country
Russia
While FlattFan was a bit, uh, demonstrative and maybe a little over the top in his/her description, I think Lipnitskaya needs different choreography to SHOWCASE her skills rather than a program that looks to me like someone took a rhythmic gymnastics exercise and put it on skates with figure skating jumps between. Yes, she's flexible, we get it, but to keep doing the same flexibility move for very short bursts (1-2 seconds or less) over and over again just detracts and distracts from her program, in my opinion.

absolutely agree...doing this she seems veeeery juniorish.and seems to me like she is in hurry))
 

zizi31

Rinkside
Joined
Feb 16, 2010
While FlattFan was a bit, uh, demonstrative and maybe a little over the top in his/her description, I think Lipnitskaya needs different choreography to SHOWCASE her skills rather than a program that looks to me like someone took a rhythmic gymnastics exercise and put it on skates with figure skating jumps between. Yes, she's flexible, we get it, but to keep doing the same flexibility move for very short bursts (1-2 seconds or less) over and over again just detracts and distracts from her program, in my opinion.

I agree, especially since her body lines are not very good when she does those elements. She just contorts herself to get her leg as high as possible. Also, her programs this year are obvious imitations of Sasha's 2010 olympic programs, and the comparison is doing her no favors.
 

sky_fly20

Match Penalty
Joined
Nov 20, 2011
Can't help but think these comments are nothing but bitter people and jealous against Julia :laugh:

she is very juniorish ?lmao
HELLO, she is 13 years old !!! relax, she will improve in years to come.
 

mskater93

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 22, 2005
Not bitter at all and for what reason would I be jealous? I'm not competing against her. :rolleye: I didn't attack her in any way. I didn't say she wasn't talented. I said I'd like better choreography on her and proceeded to explain what it was that I DIDN'T like about the choreography.
I REALLY don't like how they attempted to integrate the extreme flexibility moves into the program because they aren't seemless and appear to be rushed. If they were better integrated (and if she took her time to finish those movements), I wouldn't have posted above. It's a matter of personal preference. I appreciate programs that have seemless looking construction to them - the programs where the moves seem to flow into one another or to be an extension of the last thing. I appreciate seemless construction the most because that is probably one of the hardest things to do for coach, choreographer AND skater because each of the three has a responsibility in making it so - the coach has to drill the skater to the point where the elements are second nature, the skater can't abruptly change their mindset and interpretation because the 3A is coming up next (or the 4T or the 3+3), and the choreographer has to think about how he/she would finish move 1 and what is an obvious extention of that move that should be next. I know there are very few programs that are truly seemless, but Lipnitskaya's is one of the further from due to its construction and as such, it lessens my enthusiasm for her skating. I think that's why I can't really get into PChan's skating either - there's a lot of superfluousness to his movement to pick up transition score (or difficulty for the sake of being difficult). I appreciate his talents blade to ice, but his skating doesn't move me to the point where I'd repeat watch his programs.

I am not taking a swing at either skater, just stating an opinion of why neither is really that exciting to me - yet.
 
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