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drivingmissdaisy

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Feb 17, 2010
I agree a lot depends on the individual. I imagine it can be hard for a coach of the marginally talented skaters who simply are not capable of landing the difficult jumps with proper technique. So, for example, do you tell them not to do their bad lutz and flip at all, or let them becuase at least they will garner more points, do better in competitions, please the skater's parents, etc.
 

burntBREAD

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Mar 27, 2010
I agree a lot depends on the individual. I imagine it can be hard for a coach of the marginally talented skaters who simply are not capable of landing the difficult jumps with proper technique. So, for example, do you tell them not to do their bad lutz and flip at all, or let them becuase at least they will garner more points, do better in competitions, please the skater's parents, etc.

I think that most skaters with the bad technique develop that way because something about the way they do that jump makes it easier, although the trouble does appear later. Miu Sato's height on her lutz is so impressive, and might be the reason why she developed such good technique on it if she just was able to get good air on it (Uno has low jumps so perhaps the twisting helps his rotation speed). At the same time, her axel technique isn't that great but it allows her to rotate and land. I think young skaters should be less occupied with landing the jump vs. doing it with correct technique, but we don't reward good technique enough at lower levels as opposed to impressive tricks (but perhaps with less than good technique).
 

ks777

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Aug 15, 2003
i think that most skaters with the bad technique develop that way because something about the way they do that jump makes it easier, although the trouble does appear later. Miu sato's height on her lutz is so impressive, and might be the reason why she developed such good technique on it if she just was able to get good air on it (uno has low jumps so perhaps the twisting helps his rotation speed). At the same time, her axel technique isn't that great but it allows her to rotate and land. I think young skaters should be less occupied with landing the jump vs. Doing it with correct technique, but we don't reward good technique enough at lower levels as opposed to impressive tricks (but perhaps with less than good technique).
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Morning Glory

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 16, 2008
Mari Suzuki

3Lo fall
3T-?? (recovery)
spiral into 2A ok
big applause from audience to her final Lsp.

45.90

Her hometown is in Tohoku. In K&C, she put up a message thanking the support for Tohoku.
 

Morning Glory

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 16, 2008
Mai Hirono

Her costume is like red kimono.

3S-2T ok
3Lo two footed
2A ok

Her last spin is unique.

38.62
 

futureidol

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Ladies SP standings after 3 groups:


1 佐藤未生 Miu Sato • TES 31.38 + PCS 22.76 = SP 54.14
2 鈴木春奈 Haruna Suzuki • TES 28.76 + PCS 24.28 = SP 53.04
3 友滝佳子 Kako Tomotaki • TES 29.66 + PCS 22.36 = SP 52.02
4 庄司理紗 Risa Shoji • TES 27.18 + PCS 24.32 = SP 51.50
5 大庭雅 Miyabi Ohba • TES 26.14 + PCS 22.12 = SP 48.26
6 宮原知子 Satoko Miyahara • TES 25.94 + PCS 23.12 -2.00 = SP 47.06
7 鈴木真梨 Mari Suzuki • TES 25.46 + PCS 21.44 -1.00 = SP 45.90
8 近藤里奈 Rina Kondo • TES 22.86 + PCS 22.66 -1.00 = SP 44.52
9 今村紗羅 Sara Imamura • TES 24.40 + PCS 20.00 = SP 44.40
10 中村未夏 Mika Nakamura • TES 24.44 + PCS 19.08 = SP 43.52
11 中村愛音 Ayane Nakamura • TES 22.80 + PCS 20.00 = SP 42.80
12 木内千彩子 Chisako Kiuchi • TES 21.78 + PCS 20.04 = SP 41.82
13 那須野光 Hikaru Nasuno • TES 23.38 + PCS 17.92 = SP 41.30
14 瀬藤愛里 Eri Seto • TES 23.20 + PCS 17.88 -1.00 = SP 40.08
15 廣野真衣 Mai Hirono • TES 20.18 + PCS 18.44 = SP 38.62
16 石井綾香 Ayaka Ishii • TES 16.74 + PCS 16.28 = SP 33.02
17 谷川奈穂美 Naomi Tanikawa • TES 14.00 + PCS 17.24 -2.00 = SP 29.24

2 groups left to skate.
 

Morning Glory

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 16, 2008
Ladies SP standings so far:

1. Miu Sato 54.14
2. Haruna Suzuki 53.04
3. Kako Tomotaki 52.02
4. Risa Shoji 51.50
5. Miyabi Ohba 48.26
6. Satoko Miyahara 47.06
7. Mari Suzuki 45.90
8. Rina Kondo 44.52
9. Sara Imamura 44.40
10. Mika Nakamura 43.52
11. Ayane Nakamura 43.52
12. Chisako Kiuchi 41.82
13. Hikaru Nasuno 41.30
14. Eri Seto 40.08
15. Mai Hirono 38.62
16. Ayaka Ishii 33.02
17. Naomi Tanikawa 29.24

Kanako Murakami, Shoko Ishikawa, Yuki Nishino are in next group.
 

Morning Glory

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 16, 2008
Satsuki Muramoto

3T clean
3S-2T soft landing, clean
2A ok

Big applause to her performance.

53.16 into 2nd
 

babayaga

On the Ice
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Aug 27, 2010
Satsuki Muramoto

3T clean
3S-2T soft landing, clean
2A ok

Big applause to her performance.

53.16 into 2nd

That's a pretty good score for not the hardest jump content. I've never heard of this girl before, she must have skated very well. I hope they will show her during the broadcast, I'm curious.
 

Morning Glory

On the Ice
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Dec 16, 2008
Kana Muramoto, little sister of Satsuki Muramoto

3S-?? landing of first jump was not good
3T clean
2A ok

Big applause to her, too.

54.20 into 1st! Her sister Satsuki is in K&S, too.
 

Morning Glory

On the Ice
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Dec 16, 2008
Kanako Murakami

3T-3T high
3F landing has a flow
2A ok

Big applause to her powerful performance. She held up her fists in triumph.

65.56 into 1st!!
 

Morning Glory

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 16, 2008
Shoko Ishikawa

3T-3T maybe UR?
3F clean
2A clean

She fell on the steps, so finished with an embarrassed smile.

47.62
 

Mirunna

Record Breaker
Joined
Jul 12, 2009
This is a big score for Kanako, and I was so sure this is between Akiko and Mao. Now it's more exciting with the old Kanako back!
 

Morning Glory

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 16, 2008
Kanade Hasegawa

3T-3T with good speed
3Lo two footed, maybe UR
2A ok

poweful performance using her whole body. She seems to be satisfied with her performance.

44.98
 

Okami

On the Ice
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Apr 5, 2006
That's a pretty good score for not the hardest jump content. I've never heard of this girl before, she must have skated very well. I hope they will show her during the broadcast, I'm curious.

I remember watching her some time ago. Her jumps weren't very solid, but she had quite interesting choreography and very good expression for a skater of her level.

I think that most skaters with the bad technique develop that way because something about the way they do that jump makes it easier, although the trouble does appear later. Miu Sato's height on her lutz is so impressive, and might be the reason why she developed such good technique on it if she just was able to get good air on it (Uno has low jumps so perhaps the twisting helps his rotation speed).

You have a point. Funny thing is, from what I've noticed a lot of the skaters with wonky tilt-to-the-inside technique were/are known as genius jumpers and "mastered" their jumps while there were still very young (with incorrect technique, but it wasn't punished or even mentioned back then). OTOH many skaters who have more correct technique now often mention in the interviews that they were very poor jumpers at first (Nobunari, Satoko) and/or started to skate rather late (Miki). Similarly, Yamada's wunderkids (Kanako, Shouma, and Kanako's ex-rival Sayaka Matsubara) were noticed by the media very early on, but all have that tilt + high kick technique on the take-off (which makes achieving the outside edge on the Lutz nigh impossible), but Miu, about whom I haven't heard until recently, has more correct technique. I wonder if she simply hadn't struggled with her jumps so much that they sought a technique that could work with her body type and/or had a different jump coach assist her.
 
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