1. He did. He won the GPF with two falls: one in SP, where he "managed" to get -3 only from 4 judges, and the second one in LP. Two falls count as multiple falls. Because the definition of "multiple" is "more than one", and you know that. So it's quite obvious whose example is faulty. The problem with Chan Patrol is they don't know how to lose. 2. We all graduated from schools. No need to talk to people like they are some blind idiots who don't know how to count. BV isn't supposed to mean that much, as we have with Chan, when a skater zhambonis the ice on the permanent basis. The difference between Chan's TES and Dai's was only 0.54. Dai had a flawed 4T? He did and that is all. None of the rest of his elements got negative GOE, including his amazing 3A-3T that brought him over 15 points alone. While Chan had a flawed 4T, and again ended up with -1 from two judges. Then he had a flawed combo. After that he had a crappy landing on his second combo with a short exit from 3S with shaky balance ready to lose, and yet somehow managed to get 0.60 GOE for that. Then he, as a kind of tradition, zamboni'ed the ice on 3L, and before that he almost lost his balance on his presious transitions and still get the highest score for them in PCS: 0.25 over Dai. With all his mistakes he again "managed" to get the highest PCS of the night, including for performance and presentation: 1.50 over Dai. So, yes, we have it here: a worse Chan won over better Takahashi. You may deny it as long as you wish, with all your passion and mania. The problem is you are just an uber behind the keyboard. Nothing wrong with that. We almost all are. The point is figure skating lives on cash, like many things in this world. Most of people who pay for tickets never heard about online forums or never even bother to register on them. They pay, they come, they see what they see and they don't understand what is going on. Next time they buy tickets for another sport event where rules are clearer for them. Nobody will ever be able to count how much cash flow fs lost because a casaul audience member simply lost the interest, knowing that a zamboni winner is already known. Yes, they want to watch who they like. I am sure you know who they like. But still I'll give you the link to the youtube channel of NikaQuest from the Russian Samara city, the one who made an amazing job by uploading videos almost live. Well, it's more than clear that your idol with over 26 thousands views has a long way to catch up that "non perfect and flawed" dude with his over 83 thousand views. Enjoy the watching.1. Patrick won the event without multiple falls. 2. Daisuke was far from perfect. He messed up his SP very badly, and his LP lags almost 5 points in BV vs Patrick's so that with a very flawed 4T, he was commendable to have lost the LP by just one point. But it was a fair and close win. Patrick Chan has not won with multiple falls over a perfect Daisuke Takahashi.
That's true and I agree wth you completely. He is the best example of what is wrong with this judging system. You saw empty seats at 4CC I am sure. Thanks that you brought SLC here. That is when it all started. The begining of evil, when the credibility of the sport got damaged and it seems like they (ISU) are not doing their job well enough to return fs its popularity and trust. We'll see. I hope for the best like so many.He does COP well.
Yes, they want to watch who they like. I am sure you know who they like. But still I'll give you the link to the youtube channel of NikaQuest from the Russian Samara city, the one who made an amazing job by uploading videos almost live. Well, it's more than clear that your idol with over 26 thousands views has a long way to catch up that "non perfect and flawed" dude with his over 83 thousand views. Enjoy the watching.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNQnevifJKQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc97QA3b-5E
That's true and I agree wth you completely. He is the best example of what is wrong with this judging system. You saw empty seats at 4CC I am sure. Thanks that you brought SLC here. That is when it all started. The begining of evil, when the credibility of the sport got damaged and it seems like they (ISU) are not doing their job well enough to return fs its popularity and trust. We'll see. I hope for the best like so many.
1. want to watch who they like. I am sure you know who they like. But still I'll give you the link to the youtube channel of NikaQuest from the Russian Samara city, the one who made an amazing job by uploading videos almost live. Well, it's more than clear that your idol with over 26 thousands views has a long way to catch up that "non perfect and flawed" dude with his over 83 thousand views. Enjoy the watching.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNQnevifJKQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc97QA3b-5E
That's true and I agree wth you completely. He is the best example of what is wrong with this judging system. You saw empty seats at 4CC I am sure. Thanks that you brought SLC here. That is when it all started. The begining of evil, when the credibility of the sport got damaged and it seems like they (ISU) are not doing their job well enough to return fs its popularity and trust. We'll see. I hope for the best like so many.
I can click a thousand times on the you-tube video each day and click on the dislike button 100 times a day to up the numbers.
100 times a day? I don't think it's possible. Are you really sure? You have to log in to vote, and you can vote only once IIRC. You can click as many times as you want, but I don't think the number changes.
During Vancouver Olympic games, I was lurking an alternative music forum. Few users there took figure skating seriously because:
1. Winter sports are rich peoples' hobbies.
2. Figure skating is not a real sport because the judging system is subjective.
I don't think Chan is doing any better to the sport's image. (The China crisis thing made it even worse.) You guys spent pages after pages discussing COP in this thread, and I soon became sick of reading it, thinking "Geez, no wonder why this sport is not getting any popular in North America." You have to fully understand COP in order to appreciate how great Chan is. You even often need to explain COP to justify his winning. Casual viewers don't give a s**t to COP. Chan is an embodiment of COP, and not making figure skating any more popular.
I wondered what average Canadians thought about 2010 Skate Canada, in which Chan won Gold with four falls while Reynolds finished 4th with two 4T and two 4S.
During Vancouver, North Americans, even major media cast Plushenko as villain with 20th-century Cold War mentality. I don't understand why Chan or Lysacek should be immune to criticism.
I would rather fs remain a hobby for rich people and a gentlemen's sport rather than see it go down the drain like football hooliganism.
During Vancouver Olympic games, I was lurking an alternative music forum. Few users there took figure skating seriously because:
1. Winter sports are rich peoples' hobbies.
2. Figure skating is not a real sport because the judging system is subjective.
I don't think Chan is doing any better to the sport's image. (The China crisis thing made it even worse.) You guys spent pages after pages discussing COP in this thread, and I soon became sick of reading it, thinking "Geez, no wonder why this sport is not getting any popular in North America." You have to fully understand COP in order to appreciate how great Chan is. You even often need to explain COP to justify his winning. Casual viewers don't give a s**t to COP. Chan is an embodiment of COP, and not making figure skating any more popular.
Well said. Your statement means something in this poor economy.
I don't think Chan's music selection would attract music fans either.
I don't think Chan's music selection would attract music fans either.
So it has been established by anyone smart on this thread that even a many fall Chan would be scored above a clean Takahashi. It has also been established that Takahashi wont skate cleanly. What is the point of this thread, and why is it even continuing.
Takahashi is overrated on this forum. People are acting like he is a lock for the silver at Worlds this year and a threat for gold when he is merely the slight favorite over the others for the silver and bronze at best, and no chance at all of gold. It is quite comical people here seem to think he is more in competition with Chan than he is with the other Japanese, the top Europeans, and Abbott. All those guys I am sure think they can beat him, while even Takahashi himself seems to know he cant touch Chan. As I said on another thread I dont even expect him to win the silver at Worlds, since the field (minus Chan) vs Takahashi I give the field more than 50% chance. Then if Plushenko comes back skating like he did at Europeans and the younger skaters keep improving he will have a hard time even staying in the top 3. Competition with Chan is never where his real competition will be.
I like Takahashi and dont particularly like Chan but get a clue. Maybe if all of the following: Chan wasnt the biggest judges pet in skating history and didnt receive grossly inflated GOE and PCS all over the place, and then have all his frequent falls and other mistakes ignored like they didnt happen, and Takahashi wasnt technically past his prime and inconsistent as heck to boot, then maybe Takahashi would be a threat to Chan. Those are alot of ifs that dont exist though.
Figure skating, as we know of, cannot be more popular under pop culture, period!
Japanese fans are not as stupid as you try to picture them. They figured things out long time ago. I can give you a bunch of links from 4CC and Euros from Jsport broadcast. They are all fine and well. You just don't know how to find them or you have a langauge barrier. As for NikaQuest account, you are quite wrong. The reason why her account has more views than anyone else's is because she uploaded the videos from geoblocked sportbox.ru and Sport-2 channel almost live. Many basically were watching events on her channel.The Japanese Broadcasting companies (NHK Sports, Fuji, etc) are taking down or geo-blocking skating videos on youtube
Yes, you are. You just attacked your opponent pouring all possible vocabs and didn't even bother to notice that taking your high moral ground of how much better you are! Well, actually I am a kind of accustomed to it from Chan Patrol. As for clicking on youtube, trust me the numbers won't change. But you don't have to believe me.I am not a maniac fan.
I would rather fs remain a rich peoples' hobby
It doesn't work that way. Or you, those who are smart and understand, have to pay for everything in fs. Otherwise this sport will eventually die. Seats were empty.but don't complain that you don't understand CoP and why this skater won over that skater.
^ I thought you had written the thing about autosave in a post! and I had found it very cool , but maybe it was another moderator?
Wow, Doris, the autosave is cool feature indeed. I have on last few occassions lost my fast and furious words and had to retype ... what a pain but getting some back is better than none! Thanks. :=))It was me!!
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Seats were empty.
Rich people 's sports and arts may be too expansive to take part in but are just as accessible for enjoyment and appreciation. Tickets to see the world's best figure skaters are much cheaper than tickets for a regular commercial sport game. Some equestrian events are free as well. Similarly, tickets for a hot pop star are much more expansive and hard to come by than for a classical concert. TV programs are equally free for any sport, except in the US.
According to your logics it's because they have more spiritually rich people than North America. I don't dare to argue your conclusion at all.how do you explain the popularity of figure skating in Japan and Korea?