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    Ice Dancing PCS Rules 2011-2012

    After reading all the different comments in the FD and SD threads for GPF, and also the thread where Maxim Trankov, long time pairs competitor, has trouble understanding his score, I thought it would be interesting to see whether I could put together a thread that would help all of us get a better feel for the scoring system, at least for Ice Dance. Even Scott Moir is slightly misinformed: nothing in PCS grades who is the best artist-the words artistry, and artistic are not mentioned (although some of the graded characteristics are also characteristics of artistry, some are not, and the word "artistic" is used to help define the word finesse).

    I'm sorry to say, that I really don't follow the singles with the same fervor that I save for Ice Dance, so I'm going to do Ice Dance Rules. I hope some one of the singles' experts here will do the same for singles.

    The recent Grand Prix Final was a superb chance to compare how a single panel of judges and a single tech panel graded both juniors and seniors, so that a larger range of scores can be examined. Furthermore, all the competitors' programs are on youtube.

    So here we go. I hope you enjoy it. Feel free to chime in, because I'm just a fan, not a real expert. However, I would like to assume that the judges are experts!

    It's Not Yer Father's Artistic Mark Any More: PCS in Ice Dance.

    There are five categories. The first, and perhaps most important, is Skating Skills. People complain that all 5 program components are indexed off skating skills, and that skating skills is overwhelmingly measured by speed, power, and acceleration, even though the description of Skating Skills includes a lot more than just "Power/energy and acceleration". As an armchair judge, you are hampered in judging speed. However, if you concentrate a bit on how much the advertisements on the boards are blurring, when the skaters are skating straight down the ice and not at an angle to the boards, you will be able to make a decent guess about which teams are the fastest.

    Skating Skills, and the other PCS components are judged by the judges after they have viewed the entire program.

    Furthermore, you should remember that during the program, the judges have had to be concentrated more on the elements than anything else, because that is what they have been grading.

    Here's what's included in Skating Skills:

    Skating Skills, source Rule 611 b, i, ISU Communication 1677


    Overall Skating quality: edge control and flow over the ice surface demonstrated by a command of the skating
    vocabulary (edges, steps, turns etc.), the clarity of technique and the use of effortless power to accelerate and
    vary speed;
    • Balance, rhythmic knee action and precision of foot placement
    • Flow and effortless glide [V&M's strongest point]
    • Cleanness and sureness of deep edges, steps and turns
    • Power/energy and acceleration [D&W's strongest point]
    • Mastery of multi-directional skating
    • Mastery of one foot skating
    • Equal mastery of technique by both partners shown in unison
    To qualify for Skating Skills between 9.0 and 10.0 [OUTSTANDING] as both D&W and V&M did, you need

    • deep, quiet, sure, seemingly effortless edges
    • deep/fluid knee action
    • elegant and precise steps/turns
    • seamless use of all directions
    • effortless acceleration
    • extensive skill range for both

    The Shibutanis fell near to this range.

    To qualify for Skating Skills between 7.0 and 7.75 [VERY GOOD], you need
    • strong, sure, confident edges
    • strong, flexible knee action
    • polished & clean steps/turns
    • very good use of multi directions
    • ability to accelerate easily
    • wide skill range 75% of time for both

    This is the range that Zhulin seems to have claimed the Shibutanis deserved.

    To qualify for Skating Skills between 4.0 and 4.75 [AVERAGE], you need:
    • shallow edges with variable edge quality and knee action
    • average range of steps/turns, multidirectional 50% of time
    • skill level similar abilities
    • consistent speed and flow 50% of time

    To appreciate what "Skating Skills" actually grades, I thought it might be interesting to dig up some examples of teams that did not make the JGPF or the GPF. I included only one extra competition (Tailinn), so that it would minimize the number of judge panels involved.

    Here's a program with 2.61 Skating Skills
    Hanno Tammo & Geido Kapp of Estonia
    21st at JGP Tailinn in the FD

    Here's a program with 3.32 Skating Skills
    Natalia JANCOSEK / Petr SEKNICKA of Slovakia
    17th at JGP Tailin in the FD

    Here's a program with 4.64 Skating Skills:
    Kalisak & Kalisak of Poland
    10th at JGP Tailinn in the FD

    Here's a program with 5.43 Skating Skills
    Kaitlin HAWAYEK & Michael BRAMANTE of USA
    8th at JGP Tailinn in the FD

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    The following teams were at the JGPF. The Panel of judges is exactly the same as the panel of judges for the Senior GPF
    Anastasi Galyeta & Alexei Shumski of Ukraine, Skating Skills 6.18
    5th in the FD at the JGPF

    Victoria Sinitsina & Ruslan Zhiganshin of Russia, Skating Skills 7.61
    1st in the FD at the JGPF

    Now here are the Senior Grand Prix teams' free dances, arranged in increasing order of their skating skills:
    Please watch them as if you are only comparing skating skills. You might even try turning off the sound, since skating skills does not include any references to the music.

    S&S [Sun Valley Serenade soundtrack] 7.93
    B&S {Faust] 8.04
    W&P [Je suis malade] 8.32
    P&B [The Pharoah & his Mummy] 8.79
    D&W [Die Fledermaus] 9.57
    V&M [Funny Face] 9.61

    So where would you place the Shibutani's?

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    Taking a step back - Doris, why are you giving so much attention to Zhulin's opinion as the Shibs didn't in fact get such low marks? Do you think his influence could cause them to get dumped by the judges in the future?

    But as always, thank you for your valiant efforts to build up an educated audience (and group of posters) for ice dance! You deserve an award!

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    Thanks once again Doris for your diligent, comprehensive and sober work to educate us about ice dance. It's invaluable.

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    You know those things the judges were kind of not looking at while grading the elements? Well now they are supposed to give a grade for them.

    In ice dance, Transitions & Linking Movements are the highest weighted PCS component, with a weight of 1.75. Skating Skills are weighted at 1.25, and the other 3 components are weighted at 1.0, so Transitions is a really big deal for dancers.

    Transitions and Linking Movements Source Rule 611 b, ISU Communication 1677
    The varied and or intricate footwork, positions, movements and holds that link all elements and constitute the
    distinct technical content of the dance;

    • Variety
    • Difficulty
    • Intricacy
    • Quality
    • Balance of workload between partners
    Variety of holds (not excessive side by side and hand in hand)
    To qualify for a Transitions & Linking Movements mark between 9.00 and 10.00 [OUTSTANDING]
    • difficult, intriguing, varied network of edges, steps, turns, holds for both
    • one move flows seamlessly into the next
    • creative pattern and lobes
    • creative linking of Pattern Dance Elements and rest of the dance (SD): 100%

    To qualify for a Transitions and linking steps mark of between 7.0 and 7.5 [VERY GOOD]
    • variety and complexity of pattern/steps/turns/holds for both
    • fluid and intentional movements from one move to another
    • varied use of holds with face to face positions
    • creative linking of Pattern Dance Elements and rest of the dance (SD): 100%

    To qualify for a Transitions & Linking Movements mark between 4.0 and 4.75 [AVERAGE]

    • an equal proportion of simplicity and difficulty
    • one partner has some sections with simple workload
    • varied use of holds with several face to face positions
    • creative linking of Pattern Dance Elements and rest of the dance (SD): 50%

    Note that the Transitions and Linking Footwork we are discussing is not what the skaters could do, but what they actually did do, on the day.

    In fact, this was the PCS category where D&W did the best. The teams finish in the same order, as they did for skating skills, other than reversing the order of V&M and D&W. Note that a waltz fits more comfortably into the requirements for transitions and linking steps than a tap dance-staccato steps with the partners not in hold at all do not count much for transitions, however, difficult they are, at least if the judges follow the rules. Face to face holds with long gliding edges are preferred, apparently.

    Note that the Shibutani's transition & linking movements score is significantly lower than their skating skills mark. The judges obviously found their program to be rather lacking in transitions.

    And here's the grading of Transitions & Linking Footwork at the GPF:

    6 S&S Sun Valley Serenade 7.68
    5 B&S Faust 7.86
    4 W&P Je suis Malade 8.14
    3 P&B The Pharoah and His Mummy 8.54
    2 V&M Funny Face 9.36
    1 D&W Die Fledermaus 9.50

    And here's some transitions grades from the JGPF
    Galyeta & Shumski had the lowest. (5.82)

    Sinitsina & Zhiganshin had the highest. (7.25)

    Again, I suggest watching with the sound turned off. Watch for hand to hand skating, separations, posing sections where the skaters are performing but not skating, areas where the skaters are running around on flat edges. All the time they spend doing that does not significantly build their transition score.

    As in singles, although it is not as explicit as I would wish, watch for interesting movements that lead into and out of elements. Those will perhaps influence the transition score positively.

    The effect should be to weave the elements together with the non element transitions into a seamless whole.

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    I'm focusing on the Shibutanis because they have received severe criticism from some experts, but also significant praise from others.

    The rest of the arguing is whether D&W and V&M should be ahead. The judges don't seem to agree, so the argument devolves into skating's version of the "Great Taste" "Less Filling" beer commercial.

    I think it leaves fans not very informed. It's like getting into an argument about which way is "up" or "down" on a flat road.

    There is some room for actually applying the rules in the case of the Shibs, rather than avoiding applying the rules, as in the case of Plush & transitions or Evan and his skiddy axel, or just not knowing what to do, like the judges and D&W and V&M (IMO, because both teams are magnificent in different ways).

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    I just notice at least one thing, however minor, D/W out twizzle everyone. Their speed is amazing.

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    Wow, this is awesome!!! Thanks Dorispulaski for providing us with this information. It's extremely helpful!

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