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Ice Dance - Free Dance

fairly4

Medalist
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Oct 28, 2007
totally agree letoile.

d/w should have got higher scores,
v.m. made mistakes they skated they exact same way all season --yes they practice o--it showed. but polish program maybe best at worlds not worthy of a 110 not unless d/w gets same if not higher.

bothy should have gotten a 107 if d/w got one so should have v.m.
sorry cant congrat ogm medals-gold medalilst for 2012 worlds.

but great job d/w and p/b.
 

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!
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Dec 27, 2009
Virtue and Moir program more difficult better lifts, seriously those boring classical european dances are getting tiresome and D&W have clear flaws in their skating that their fans refuse to see.

Hey, your favorite won OK? Please be civil to people who have a different opinion than you.
 

romanoff81

Match Penalty
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Nov 20, 2004
weaver and poje robbed of a medal they rocked both the sd and fd the medal will come and very soon i would not even discount them for Olympic gold in a couple years.
 

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!
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Seriously everyone. I hope people will respect people's opinions in this forum. I realize there are strong contingents for both, but let's just keep it classy, OK? :)
 

auser

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Dec 5, 2009
Can someone explain about the almost 2 pt TES difference between V/M & D/W. I am not protesting, just curious about differences, hoping someone more technically astute about ice dance than I would illuminate.
 

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!
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Can someone explain about the almost 2 pt TES difference between V/M & D/W. I am not protesting, just curious about differences, hoping someone more technically astute about ice dance than I would illuminate.

Most of the margin (1.5) came from the base value when D/W got one more level 3. PCS added another .85. Oddly enough the +GOE (which explains how well-executed the program was) margin was the smallest at .35.
 

fairly4

Medalist
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Oct 28, 2007
the techincal specialst for the dance is -CanadianTech Spec Marie BOWNESS CAN --you cant tell me this is rigged and conflict of interest that a canadian tech specialist is on the dance and v/m --politics rigged as usually
Referee Katalin ALPERN ISR
Tech Controller Christine HURTH AUT
Asst Tech Spec Andrzej DOSTATNI POL
 

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!
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Which begs the question:

At 4CC, D/W low score mostly came low levels (BV was 38 vs 40 today). Today they get better levels but worse +GOE (12.01 at 4CC vs. 10.93 today).

So my question is, did D/W execution of today's program WAS 1.08 points WORSE than what they did at 4CC when Charlie looked like he was about to collapse?

Just food for thought.
 

leafygreens

Final Flight
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Mar 7, 2011
Shouldn't the components also reflect the fact that V/M free is basically the most forgettable among the final group? :disapp:

OMG, exactly. V/M's dances are difficult and boring, whereas D/W's are difficult and exciting (therefore harder to pull off). I think we have just witnessed that IJS, while it has rid dance of the Russians, has not gotten rid of the problems of rep, favoritism, skating order, and "saving room".

The issue with levels really needs to be looked at. There is no explanation why one team is level 3 and the other level 4. "Their edges were deeper." Really? Show us. It sounds like an explanation pulled out of someone's bum to cover up favoritism.

I think the problem of levels is not clear at all, even in singles and pairs, but at least with those disciplines you can clearly see when someone trips/falls/2-foots, but in dance (at least with these top teams) you can't see the "errors" at all.

The only thing I can think of is that D/W are so good, that they keep getting picked apart for "mistakes" that aren't really there, and are judged harsher than some other teams who can just coast by. D/W are so flashy, fast, and outgoing (the opposite of V/M) that they are under the microscope and it appears as if the judges are taking off points, just so the judges can validate their own existence, and appear to be "fair" but it's going so far, that it's actually unfair.
 

Skater Boy

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Feb 24, 2012
I actually thank all you posters out there for trying to respect the different opinions. This isn't world peace and everyone is entitled to their opinion and should fear some kind of reprisal or worse - violence. So my take of ice dance.

First, I do think V and M deserved to win. This will sound hypocritcal I like the routine way better in the FD of Davis and White but I thought techincally and pc wise yep V and M should have won. It sort of like you prefer a certan designer but another designer can win on judged points. arugably I would have had V and M further ahead in the Shortdance but the end result is what I would have judged but both teams are amazing (next year though V and M who at least are trying different things should maybe do what they do best but bravo for them for stretching the sport and themselves). Both teams in my opinion are miles ahead of the rest. I know there are a lot of P and B fans out there but I think they should take the bronze and run. Their time has come and gone and honestly I would have "dumped them" for Weaver and Poje who arguably could have beaten them in both programs. Likewise, the team that I am starting to like more is I and K. C and L got the result they wanted and B and S will have to work harder I guess. Sad about the Shibutani's - it coud be the bronze curse - sometimes he bronze is the "lucky" to get award and don't push it. They are young and will rebound.
 

Skater Boy

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I might further add the comments that I would rather Canada send if they could Gilles and Poirier because they are a team that seemed more on the upswing and dramatically improving having been formed as a new team rather than Asher and Hill (great law firm name though lol). Boy Russia was lucky to come out with three teams - actually do one spot better than last year. I wonder what P and B will do. CL, IK, WP and Shibutanis all look like good bets to move ahead and who knows maybe BS who might fight to the end with IK for Russia no. 1.
 

Macassar88

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Dec 21, 2011
I don't understand some of the posters on this forum. When people say that D/W should have won and that Tessa and Scott's programs are boring, they're just expressing their opinion. When people say that Tessa and Scott deserved to win because they have more interesting programs, they get called out for being rude.
Honestly, I don't think that any of the top four skated their best today. That said, I'm happy with the results. I wish that Weaver and Poje could share bronze with Pechalat and Bourzat, but I have a feeling that they'll medal at worlds eventually. I feel that Tessa and Scott deserved the gold medal and love them both.
 

Dragonlady

Final Flight
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Aug 23, 2003
I hope P&B enjoy their "lifetime achievement award" because next year Worlds are in Canada and P&B won't be getting any home-team PCS in their scores.
 

Skater Boy

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Feb 24, 2012
I hope P&B enjoy their "lifetime achievement award" because next year Worlds are in Canada and P&B won't be getting any home-team PCS in their scores.

Agreed. For whatever reason nationalitic bonusess seem to come out of skating at home.
 

auser

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Dec 5, 2009
Which begs the question:

At 4CC, D/W low score mostly came low levels (BV was 38 vs 40 today). Today they get better levels but worse +GOE (12.01 at 4CC vs. 10.93 today).

So my question is, did D/W execution of today's program WAS 1.08 points WORSE than what they did at 4CC when Charlie looked like he was about to collapse?

Just food for thought.
Thank you for this. I almost forgot about all the breathing challenges at 4CC. When I have a chance I will look at 4CC videos and todays videos to compare.
 
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