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It looks to me to be a standardization measure, not targeting anybody in particular in this particular season.
eta. Maybe having only one skater being affected is a good time to implement this.
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It looks to me to be a standardization measure, not targeting anybody in particular in this particular season.
eta. Maybe having only one skater being affected is a good time to implement this.
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I'm not going to say that ISU did this in order to target Lipnitskaya. But I do think it is stupid that they decided to pass it so late. The girl already got two assignments, was probably hoping to get ready for them, and they just take her off of the list. Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until next season or make this change before the assignments were handed out?
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So the rule actually doesn't take effect until 2014
So Julia can do GP
So Julia can do GP
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DianeSelene, yeah if she has to go back to the JGP, she can. Entries must be submitted a month before the event in question.
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Can't wait to see how many trashy programs result from this.
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One can read a summary of the major decisions made in this congress on the official ISU site's article.
COP changes that are explicitly mentioned in the article: There will now be a level 0 for elements, and it will have a base value. Then there's talk of some "harmonization" of the rules across disciplines. Something like that was mentioned in the proposals for this congress, I'm not sure the exact details of what passed, though. All in all, it doesn't seem like the COP is significantly changed.
And the big change that vocal music will, at long last, be allowed in singles and pairs?
:yay: But only after the Sochi Olympics? 
I can't wait that long! By then I'll be old and unable to appreciate popular music of any kind. 
COP changes that are explicitly mentioned in the article: There will now be a level 0 for elements, and it will have a base value. Then there's talk of some "harmonization" of the rules across disciplines. Something like that was mentioned in the proposals for this congress, I'm not sure the exact details of what passed, though. All in all, it doesn't seem like the COP is significantly changed.
And the big change that vocal music will, at long last, be allowed in singles and pairs?
:yay: But only after the Sochi Olympics? I can't wait that long! By then I'll be old and unable to appreciate popular music of any kind. 
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And the big change that vocal music will, at long last, be allowed in singles and pairs?
It's only two years from now. And who knows...by then Justin Bieber will probably be passé so maybe skaters will opt to skate to something else.
that's great. now we won't need the years to indicate which olympics anymore. instead of, say, the 2012 olympics, we can have the 'someone like you' olympics.
shame it didn't happen years ago, when we could have had the 'like a virgin' olympics. or the 'macarena' olympics. now, even when there's no commentary, i'll still hit that mute button 9 times out of 10
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that's great. now we won't need the years to indicate which olympics anymore. instead of, say, the 2012 olympics, we can have the 'someone like you' olympics.
shame it didn't happen years ago, when we could have had the 'like a virgin' olympics. or the 'macarena' olympics. now, even when there's no commentary, i'll still hit that mute button 9 times out of 10
We don't refer to the 1988 Olympics as the Carmen Olympics. Of course, it was really the Brians' Olympics.
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If Debi Thomas hadn't imploded I think it would have been as big as the Battle of the Brians
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There might be an influx toward crazy pop programs at first, but I think the emotional impact of opera/classical will draw skaters back...it's easier to appear more professional and polished with that kind of music.
Vocal music :yay: I'm excited to see the what this rule brings. More music to choose from and more spectacular performances, especially from the ladies I hope :thumbsup:
Here is the report from the Swedish delegates(google translate):
* Single skaters get 10% more base value for jumps in the second half of the short programs.
* Sweden did not vote for removing the preliminary rounds.
* " By working with especially USA and Canada we succeeded in driving through lots of our proposals."
Here is the report from the Swedish delegates(google translate):
* Single skaters get 10% more base value for jumps in the second half of the short programs.
* Sweden did not vote for removing the preliminary rounds.
* " By working with especially USA and Canada we succeeded in driving through lots of our proposals."
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* " By working with especially USA and Canada we succeeded in driving through lots of our proposals."
This is like NDP, the third political party of Canada, which is the most powerful when there is a minority government. Or the swing votes, or supporters of conceded candidates, in an election. Nice politicking, Sweden. :thumbsup:
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Um, what? There is no opera music in singles/pairs now, unless the lyrics are in Latin. In fact, it was the use of opera music in 1989 (such as Nessun Dorma and Un Bel Di) that prompted the ban on vocals in pairs and singles. Lifting the ban on vocals is what makes it possible for real opera music to make it back into those disciplines.
That is a pretty significant change to the COP that the ISU press release didn't mention! This is going to change the jump layout of most elite skaters, I bet. I wouldn't be surprised if skaters start splitting 1 to 2 or even 0 to 3 in favor of back-loading their jumps!
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I was referring to instrumental opera music, not opera vocals. I think opera vocals would be too powerful and overwhelming for most skaters---and too distracting as well. I love opera, but would find myself doing more listening to the voice than watching the skater. And then there are those who hate, hate, hate the voice of a female opera singer---they would be turned way off.
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Those are almost always awful. The problem is a lot of those arrangements keep the original orchestration, more or less, and substitute the human voice with some other instrument. However, no other instrument has as much nuance, color, depth, charisma and expression as the human voice does. Thus, if one has heard the original opera piece at all, these instrumental versions sound stripped and compressed, like something that came through a telephone receiver. The only times I've heard instrumental rearrangements of opera pieces work is when they're radically reconfigured into a different song.
So if one is to have actual opera music in competitive figure skating, it requires having the human voice and lyrics. Those are intrinsic parts of the art form. As for some people not liking it, people don't like all sorts of things when it comes to music. Opera or not, vocals or not. They can just deal with it or not.
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An example of opera vocals that worked well in a program would be Samson and Delilah from D/W. So maybe it could be good to use vocals. I hated D/C's electric guitar Nessun Dorma and would have much preferred for them to use the original.
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