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Scoring Requirements (TES requirements for ISU Championships, and new GP Score reqs)

ImaginaryPogue

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Scoring Requirements (TES requirements for ISU Championships, and new GP Score reqs)

Debate has been raging over at FSU about the new TES requirements and how damaging they'll be to less deep federations. Indeed, the smaller federations were very shortsighted when they voted to remove the preliminaries, as the ISU Council responded with these new minimums. The basic consequence is that idea that all federations have one spot at Worlds in each discipline, regardless of how they placed the year prior, is a thing of the past. The new TES Minimums are as follows

ISU European and ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2013:
MEN SP 25,00 FS 45,00
LADIES SP 20,00 FS 36,00
PAIR SKATING SP 20,00 FS 36,00
ICE DANCE SD 18,00 FD 28,00

ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2013:

MEN SP 20,00 FS 40,00
LADIES SP 20,00 FS 35,00
PAIR SKATING SP 20,00 FS 30,00
ICE DANCE SD 17,00 FD 27,00

ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013:

MEN SP 35,00 FS 65,00
LADIES SP 28,00 FS 48,00
PAIR SKATING SP 28,00 FS 45,00
ICE DANCE SD 29,00 FD 39,00
 
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It seems to me that this will make for a much smaller roster of competitors at Worlds. If countries such as, say, the Philippines can't qualify anyone in a discipline, but there's still a maximum of three that any country can send, and those spots are designated by the prior year's rankings, then the total number of skaters won't be adjusted by skaters from any of the stronger federations, isn't that so?

While I understand that the ISU wants to uphold certain standards, this is self-defeating, it seems to me. For one thing, how will skaters from weak federations ever gain international experience? For another, how will skating build an audience in countries that don't get to send skaters? Surely there's a better way to keep competitions to a high standard.

I am reminded of Chinese pairs coach Yao Bin's first trip to Worlds. He and his partner came in dead last. But it was the view of skating excellence that he got at that competition that galvanized him to build China's pairs program into the marvelous entity it later became. Would we have had Shen and Zhao without that early international effort by Yao Bin and his partner?
 

Violet Bliss

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We have the GP series for the elites but World Championships and the Olympics should encompass the whole world to include all the best skaters every nation can produce. Things go in cycles. While the U.S. is lamenting the demise of figure skating's popularity, it is currently hot in Japan, likely to continue on to China and one day back in the USA. Meanwhile, the sport should be inclusive to encourage and nurture pioneering talents from smaller newer federations. We need more hands to pass the torch around to ensure its health and growth.

As the new rules stand, does each Team Event member have to meet the TES requirements individually or as a couple?
 
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deedee1

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We have the GP series for the elites but World Championships and the Olympics should encompass the whole world to include all the best skaters every nation can produce.

Meanwhile, the sport should be inclusive to encourage and nurture pioneering talents from smaller newer federations. We need more hands to pass the torch around to ensure its health and growth.

:thumbsup:

I have always enjoyed skaters from smaller federations at 4CCs and look forward to getting to see these skaters to improve in their own ways respectively each season. For instance Danielle Obrien & Gregory Merriman of Australia at 4CC was for me this past season, whose free dance to Glenn Miller medley I enjoyed and thought they progressed a lot under Pasquale and Anjelika!
 

chuckm

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Since skaters have to do both the team and individual event, I think the minimum TES rule will apply to both. However, we don't know at this point what the TES minimums will be for the Olympic season.

If the field for 2013 Worlds is severely depleted because so few skaters qualified, the ISU may have to rethink those values.
 
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Is skating so crowded, so hugely popular, that we need to find ways to weed out skaters and fans? I don't think so.

At this point, it would be nice to attract new audiences and up-and-coming skaters. This policy does exactly the opposite.
 

drivingmissdaisy

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I also don't like these kind of limitations, especially because countries with strong skaters aren't going to be able to send more athletes. So the net result is fewer skaters will be able to experience the magic of Worlds.

The change does address something that I don't like, which is when a marginal federation can send weak skaters on the strength of one athlete, when that athlete retires the following year. As an example, someone can win Worlds and if another teammate finishes just outside the top 10, they can send 3 skaters to next year's Worlds. If that World champion retires, then the federation can send 3 skaters who cannot compete for the top placements when stronger countries can send only 1 or 2. Yes, those countries cannot send more skaters if the World champion's country sends fewer, but at least there is some correlation between the strength of the current stable of skaters and whether they can go to Worlds.
 

Tonichelle

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Is skating so crowded, so hugely popular, that we need to find ways to weed out skaters and fans? I don't think so.
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A smaller roster is more cost effective in lots of ways... more average joes off the street are more apt to go to an event that is *maybe* 2 hours long instead of an entire day... with skaters they don't know/aren't elite...

that's the only thing I can think for the reasoning.
 

Mattieu

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The List of Skaters/Couples Who Can Compete (for now) at Worlds 2013

Men

Belgium
Jorik HENDRICKX

Canada
Patrick CHAN
Kevin REYNOLDS
Andrei ROGOZINE

China
Nan SONG
Han YAN

Czech
Michal BREZINA
Tomas VERNER

Spain
Javier FERNANDEZ

France
Brian JOUBERT
Florent AMODIO
Chafik BESSEGHIER

Germany
Peter LIEBERS
Franz STREUBEL

Japan
Daisuke TAKAHASHI
Yuzuru HANYU
Tatsuki MACHIDA
Takahiko KOZUKA
Daisuke MURAKAMI
Nobunari ODA
Kento NAKAMURA
Ryuju HINO
Keiji TANAKA

Kazakhstan
Denis TEN

Romania
Zoltan KELEMEN

Russia
Artur GACHINSKI
Konstantin MENSHOV
Evgeni PLUSHENKO
Zhan BUSH
Ivan BARIEV
Artur DMITRIEV
Sergei VORONOV

Sweden
Alexander MAJOROV

USA
Jeremy ABBOTT
Joshua FARRIS
Ross MINER
Adam RIPPON
Stephen CARRIERE
Jason BROWN
Max AARON
Richard DORNBUSH

Uzbekistan
Misha GE


LADIES

Canada
Kaetlyn OSMOND

China
Kexin ZHANG
Zijun LI
Ziquan ZHAO

Estonia
Elena GLEBOVA
Gerli LIINAMÄE

France
Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY
Mae Berenice MEITE
Yretha SILETE

Georgia
Elene GEDEVANISHVILI

Italy
Carolina KOSTNER
Valentina MARCHEI

Japan
Akiko SUZUKI
Haruka IMAI
Kako TOMOTAKI
Kanako MURAKAMI
Mao ASADA
Miu SATO
Risa SHOJI
Satoko MIYAHARA
Yuki NISHINO

Soutu Korea
Hae-Jin KIM

Russia
Adelina SOTNIKOVA
Alena LEONOVA
Elizaveta TUKTAMISHEVA
Kristina ZASEEVA
Polina AGAFONOVA
Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA
Polina SHELEPEN
Sofia BIRYUKOVA

Sweden
Joshi HELGESSON
Viktoria HELGESSON

Ukraine
Natalia POPOVA

USA
Agnes ZAWADZKI
Alissa CZISNY
Ashley WAGNER
Caroline ZHANG
Christina GAO
Gracie GOLD
Mirai NAGASU
Samantha CESARIO
Vanessa LAM


PAIRS

Canada
Jessica DUBE / Sebastien WOLFE
Katherine BOBAK / Ian BEHARRY
Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Dylan MOSCOVITCH
Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD
Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS

China
Qing PANG / Jian TONG
Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN
Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN

France
Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES

Germany
Aliona SAVCHENKO / Robin SZOLKOWY
Mari VARTMANN / Aaron VAN CLEAVE
Maylin HAUSCH / Daniel WENDE

Italy
Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK

Japan
Narumi TAKAHASHI / Mervin TRAN

Russia
Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA / Alexei ROGONOV
Ekaterina PETAIKINA / Maxim KURDUYKOV
Katarina GERBOLDT / Alexander ENBERT
Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV
Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV
Vera BAZAROVA / Yuri LARIONOV
Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV

USA
Caydee DENNEY / John COUGHLIN
Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR
Mary Beth MARLEY / Rockne BRUBAKER


ICE DANCE

Canada
Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE
Nicole ORFORD / Thomas WILLIAMS
Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR

Finland
Olesia KARMI / Max LINDHOLM

France
Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT
Tiffany ZAHORSKI / Alexis MIART

United Kingdom
Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND

Germany
Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI
Shari KOCH / Christian NUECHTERN
TANJA KOLBE / STEFANO CARUSO

Hungary
Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES

Italy
Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE
Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI
Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI

Lithuania
Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS

Russia
Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN
Anna YANOVSKAIA / Sergei MOZGOV
Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV
Ekaterina PUSHKASH / Jonathan GUERREIRO
Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO
Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV
Ksenia KOROBKOVA / Daniil GLEYKHENGAUZ
Valeria ZENKOVA / Valerie SINITSIN
Victoria SINITSINA / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN

Ukraine
Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitriy DUN

USA
Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE
Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI
Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE
Alexandra ALDRIDGE / Daniel EATON
 

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We have the GP series for the elites but World Championships and the Olympics should encompass the whole world to include all the best skaters every nation can produce.
Wasn't it Skate Canada that threatened ISU to abolish Worlds-2013 after ISU canceled preliminaries? It seems to me that after such a blackmail ISU didn't have much of a choice than either 1. introduce high TES limit, or 2. beg Putin to say once again "That's not an expensive event" and host Worlds-2013. :laugh:

I didn't follow the ISU Congress, so feel free to correct me if I got it wrong. To me the chronology of the events looks this way: small federations were childishly happy with the idea that preliminaries might get cancelled. It means their skaters will get a direct access to Worlds and free of charge, unike in preliminaries where federations have to pay to organizers if their skaters won't qualify. After the preliminaries got cancelled, Skate Canada said their word. Then the ISU introduced the high TES and small federations realized that they got screwed.

Qualification rounds exist in all major sports. It's simply normal to have them. All options that they offer now, like to take part in senior B event and get TES minimum, are not in fact the real options since they are not Worlds. What I don't get is why they cancelled preliminaries in the first place. If the reason is that some small federations in fact didn't pay for taking part in preliminaries when they were obliged to, ISU could simply disqualify those particuar federations from taking part in the following Wolrds preliminaries, unless they pay all their debts. But not to cancel preliminaries for everyone. :disapp:
 
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Thanks for your hard work. Very enlightening.

The statistic about Canada's ladies brings a thought to mind. Suppose that Osmond is still the only Canadian lady with the baseline score by Worlds, and Phaneuf wins Nationals. Phaneuf can't be sent, and Osmond has to go, even if she comes in, say, fourth?
 

seniorita

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I want to ask sth, maybe naive but isn't the minimum score minimum enough to include skaters up and coming anyway? I mean 20 and 40 score is possible for them no? Or did sth else changed also in the rules and I ve missed it?skaters with less than 20, how many were there last worlds? Preliminaries aren't even aired on tv..
 
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deedee1

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The List of Skaters/Couples Who Can Compete (for now) at Worlds 2013

LADIES

Russia
Adelina SOTNIKOVA
Alena LEONOVA
Elizaveta TUKTAMISHEVA
Kristina ZASEEVA
Polina AGAFONOVA
Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA
Polina SHELEPEN
Sofia BIRYUKOVA

Mattieu, a big 'thank you' from me, too!, but no Makarova?
 

dorispulaski

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seniorita, this is a pretty shocking requirement, particularly for the SD. I'll do dance, because I know it better than I know the other 3 disciplines, starting with how European teams would fare:


The guidelines

To qualify for Worlds Seniors
SD 29
FD 39


To qualify for Europeans/4CCs
SD 18
FD 28


These had an FD with TES of 39 or greater in the preliminaries: one team only would qualify for Worlds from this group.

TOTAL TES
1 Q Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 81.55 44.43 37.12 6.18 6.00 6.25 6.39 6.25 0.00 #15

Everyone else fails to qualify for Worlds

2 Q Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 74.34 38.41 35.93 6.04 5.75 6.14 6.14 6.04 0.00 #17
3 Q Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 73.10 38.30 34.80 6.00 5.68 5.75 5.86 5.75 0.00 #4
4 Q Louise WALDEN / Owen EDWARDS GBR 72.75 39.22 33.53 5.61 5.36 5.75 5.68 5.71 0.00 #10
5 Q Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 72.07 38.57 34.50 5.89 5.54 5.86 5.79 5.79 1.00 #19
6 Q Tanja KOLBE / Stefano CARUSO GER 71.05 35.92 36.13 6.00 5.89 5.93 6.25 6.14 1.00 #12
7 Q Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 69.21 37.43 34.78 5.96 5.54 5.71 5.96 5.96 3.00 #13
8 Q Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 68.68 36.94 31.74 5.39 5.04 5.50 5.39 5.29 0.00 #3
9 Tiffany ZAHORSKI / Alexis MIART FRA 67.22 33.10 36.12 6.11 5.89 5.75 6.21 6.21 2.00 #11
10 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 67.01 35.64 31.37 5.39 4.93 5.39 5.29 5.32 0.00 #14
11 Dora TUROCZI / Balazs MAJOR HUN 65.01 36.42 29.59 5.00 4.71 5.14 4.96 5.00 1.00 #18
12 Barbora SILNA / Juri KURAKIN AUT 63.34 31.70 31.64 5.29 5.04 5.43 5.46 5.32 0.00 #16
13 Henna LINDHOLM / Ossi KANERVO FIN 63.26 32.86 30.40 5.25 4.79 5.14 5.07 5.25 0.00 #7
14 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 60.63 33.73 28.90 4.86 4.57 4.96 5.00 4.86 2.00 #2
15 Alexandra ZVORIGINA / Maciej BERNADOWSKI POL 58.94 30.88 28.06 4.71 4.54 4.79 4.75 4.68 0.00 #6
16 Lesia VALADZENKAVA / Vitali VAKUNOV BLR 57.97 32.43 25.54 4.43 4.14 4.36 4.25 4.14 0.00 #8

18 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksandrs JAKUSHIN LAT 53.93 31.57 25.36 4.32 4.04 4.14 4.43 4.32 3.00 #1

Only two fail to qualify to go to Europeans the next year, however. The Israelis are close enough that they surely could get the minimum score for Europeans at some Senior B (often graded less stringently than Europeans or Worlds)

17 Ekaterina BUGROV / Vasili ROGOV ISR 56.11 28.32 27.79 4.79 4.46 4.71 4.82 4.46 0.00 #9
19 Alexandra CHISTIAKOVA / Dimitar LICHEV BUL 45.42 22.14 25.28 4.21 4.11 4.29 4.25 4.29 2.00 #5

In the SD, the top 8 from the Preliminaries are included. Only 20 qualify for the finals here. However, the SD is actually more of a filter for Worlds than the FD. Only 7 teams would qualify for Worlds from this Europeans:

TOTAL TES
1 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 65.06 31.93 33.13 8.39 8.11 8.32 8.43 8.18 0.00 #11
2 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 64.89 30.36 34.53 8.61 8.39 8.79 8.64 8.71 0.00 #13
3 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 61.34 31.85 29.49 7.43 7.18 7.43 7.54 7.29 0.00 #14
4 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 59.78 31.22 28.56 7.11 6.82 7.21 7.25 7.25 0.00 #15
5 Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 59.66 31.14 28.52 7.18 6.86 7.29 7.18 7.14 0.00 #12
6 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 59.62 27.51 32.11 7.93 7.82 8.11 8.14 8.11 0.00 #20

10 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 52.45 29.00 23.45 6.07 5.71 6.04 6.07 5.50 0.00 #2

Notice that the following 5 fine teams would not qualify. Chances are, they could earn the score at a Senior B though:

7 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 59.49 27.01 32.48 8.18 7.96 8.18 8.25 8.04 0.00 #16
8 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA 57.40 28.92 28.48 7.14 6.82 7.21 7.21 7.18 0.00 #19
9 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 56.79 28.57 28.22 7.25 6.82 7.11 7.14 6.96 0.00 #18
11 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 49.66 24.57 25.09 6.39 6.18 6.32 6.36 6.14 0.00 #8
12 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 49.35 25.78 23.57 6.04 5.82 6.04 6.04 5.61 0.00 #17

13 Tanja KOLBE / Stefano CARUSO GER 49.07 25.65 23.42 5.93 5.71 6.04 5.96 5.68 0.00 #3
14 Louise WALDEN / Owen EDWARDS GBR 48.36 25.71 22.65 5.71 5.54 5.71 5.82 5.54 0.00 #6
15 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 47.47 24.92 22.55 5.68 5.46 5.71 5.86 5.50 0.00 #9
16 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 46.71 22.57 24.14 6.18 5.89 6.04 6.11 5.96 0.00 #5
17 Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV CZE 45.88 24.85 21.03 5.32 5.04 5.32 5.43 5.18 0.00 #7
18 Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN 44.99 24.37 20.62 5.29 5.00 5.18 5.32 5.00 0.00 #4
19 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 44.97 22.29 22.68 5.86 5.61 5.82 5.79 5.36 0.00 #10
20 Nadezhda FROLENKOVA / Mikhail KASALO UKR 42.60 22.07 20.53 5.29 4.93 5.25 5.21 5.00 0.00 #1

Also note that all 20 teams would qualify for Europeans next year.

In the Finals:

Only 11 European teams would qualify for Worlds in the FD. However, all in the final would qualify for Europeans next year.

TOTAL TES
1 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 99.29 46.07 53.22 8.79 8.68 9.04 8.96 9.04 0.00 #17
2 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 95.17 43.57 51.60 8.68 8.43 8.79 8.50 8.71 0.00 #16
3 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 93.63 45.15 48.48 8.14 7.82 8.36 8.04 8.21 0.00 #14
4 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 93.47 45.36 48.11 7.96 7.82 8.32 8.04 8.11 0.00 #15
5 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 90.88 45.28 45.60 7.75 7.32 7.75 7.64 7.71 0.00 #18
6 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 85.53 44.22 43.31 7.07 6.96 7.54 7.32 7.43 2.00 #20
7 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA 84.87 42.28 42.59 7.07 6.86 7.32 7.21 7.21 0.00 #12
8 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 84.05 43.00 42.05 7.00 6.75 7.14 7.21 7.14 1.00 #13
9 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 83.38 42.86 41.52 6.89 6.68 7.18 7.00 7.04 1.00 #9

12 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 76.12 42.14 33.98 5.79 5.46 5.71 5.79 5.68 0.00 #3

15 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 73.24 39.07 34.17 5.89 5.46 5.86 5.71 5.68 0.00 #1

The rest would not.

10 Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 79.87 37.74 42.13 7.00 6.79 7.25 7.11 7.14 0.00 #19
11 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 77.01 37.93 39.08 6.57 6.21 6.68 6.57 6.75 0.00 #11

13 Tanja KOLBE / Stefano CARUSO GER 74.82 36.44 38.38 6.50 6.14 6.54 6.46 6.50 0.00 #8
14 Louise WALDEN / Owen EDWARDS GBR 74.23 38.92 35.31 5.93 5.68 6.00 6.00 5.96 0.00 #10

16 Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN 69.41 37.43 32.98 5.46 5.39 5.61 5.68 5.43 1.00 #5
17 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 67.91 33.99 35.92 6.00 5.71 6.11 6.14 6.18 2.00 #6
18 Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV CZE 67.63 36.07 31.56 5.39 5.04 5.36 5.46 5.18 0.00 #4
19 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 63.99 29.77 34.22 5.86 5.46 5.79 5.86 5.68 0.00 #7
20 Nadezhda FROLENKOVA / Mikhail KASALO UKR 62.14 32.43 30.71 5.32 4.93 5.11 5.21 5.11 1.00 #2

Consequently, smaller federations have a good chance that their teams will qualify for Europeans or 4CC's, but Worlds has become very very restrictive.
 
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dorispulaski

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Looking at how the scores fell out at Worlds:

FD Preliminary- Only three teams scored high enough to qualify for Worlds (39 points) but all of them scored high enough to qualify for Europeans or 4CC's

1 Q Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 92.40 43.00 49.40 8.25 7.93 8.39 8.36 8.46 0.00 #14
2 Q Xintong HUANG / Xun ZHENG CHN 79.69 41.07 38.62 6.54 6.29 6.36 6.61 6.46 0.00 #21
4 Q Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 79.09 39.49 40.60 6.82 6.61 6.79 6.82 6.89 1.00 #20

3 Q Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 79.17 42.78 36.39 6.21 5.93 6.04 6.07 6.14 0.00 #23

5 Q Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 77.80 38.85 38.95 6.50 6.29 6.46 6.64 6.71 0.00 #19
6 Q Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 76.26 39.06 37.20 6.18 6.04 6.29 6.32 6.29 0.00 #22
7 Q Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 73.96 36.50 37.46 6.36 5.96 6.36 6.29 6.43 0.00 #15
8 Q Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 71.37 38.78 32.59 5.39 5.18 5.57 5.50 5.71 0.00 #13
9 Q Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 70.88 38.91 32.97 5.57 5.21 5.75 5.50 5.64 1.00 #12
10 Q Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN 70.84 38.34 32.50 5.57 5.29 5.46 5.46 5.36 0.00 #18
11 Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV CZE 70.39 38.71 31.68 5.46 5.04 5.39 5.32 5.32 0.00 #17
12 Federica TESTA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK 68.42 36.35 33.07 5.61 5.32 5.64 5.54 5.57 1.00 #8
13 Henna LINDHOLM / Ossi KANERVO FIN 68.42 38.42 30.00 5.14 4.75 5.18 5.04 5.04 0.00 #6
14 Alexandra ZVORIGINA / Maciej BERNADOWSKI POL 68.29 38.36 29.93 5.21 4.79 5.07 5.04 4.93 0.00 #11
15 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 66.29 34.43 31.86 5.39 5.07 5.39 5.36 5.50 0.00 #16
16 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 64.61 37.56 27.05 4.61 4.39 4.50 4.68 4.43 0.00 #3
17 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksandrs JAKUSHIN LAT 62.15 34.99 27.16 4.96 4.14 4.71 4.54 4.46 0.00 #1
18 Corenne BRUHNS / Ryan VAN NATTEN MEX 61.11 36.21 25.90 4.29 4.11 4.50 4.46 4.39 1.00 #10
19 Ekaterina BUGROV / Vasili ROGOV ISR 60.81 33.31 27.50 4.68 4.43 4.54 4.79 4.57 0.00 #9
20 Cortney MANSOUR / Daryn ZHUNUSSOV KAZ 58.92 34.13 24.79 4.25 3.82 4.29 4.32 4.18 0.00 #7
21 Barbora SILNA / Juri KURAKIN AUT 57.78 31.64 27.14 4.61 4.32 4.54 4.64 4.64 1.00 #2
22 Alexandra CHISTIAKOVA / Dimitar LICHEV BUL 55.22 31.20 24.02 4.07 3.86 4.07 4.14 3.96 0.00 #4
23 Lesia VALADZENKAVA / Vitali VAKUNOV BLR 53.00 29.57 23.43 3.93 3.89 3.96 4.11 3.64 0.00 #5






SD Only 8 teams would score high enough to qualify for Worlds, including a team that made the Grand Prix Final. 29 points TES is clearly too high a bar in the SD for Worlds. However, all the teams who went to Worlds scored high enough to qualify for Europeans or 4CC's.

1 Q Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 72.31 34.29 38.02 9.46 9.36 9.57 9.54 9.57 0.00 #23
2 Q Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 70.98 33.50 37.48 9.39 9.14 9.50 9.50 9.32 0.00 #22
3 Q Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 69.13 33.64 35.49 8.89 8.68 8.96 8.93 8.89 0.00 #25
4 Q Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 66.47 33.21 33.26 8.18 8.04 8.43 8.50 8.39 0.00 #19
5 Q Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 65.34 31.86 33.48 8.43 8.14 8.46 8.50 8.32 0.00 #21
6 Q Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 65.11 32.14 32.97 8.21 7.96 8.39 8.25 8.36 0.00 #20
7 Q Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 62.35 29.44 32.91 8.25 8.07 8.32 8.29 8.21 0.00 #24
8 Q Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 59.56 32.64 26.92 6.68 6.50 6.79 6.86 6.79 0.00 #7


9 Q Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 58.29 26.43 32.86 8.32 8.14 8.07 8.39 8.14 1.00 #16
10 Q Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 58.19 28.64 29.55 7.46 7.11 7.50 7.54 7.32 0.00 #18
11 Q Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 56.29 28.64 27.65 7.00 6.71 6.89 6.96 6.96 0.00 #14
12 Q Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 54.35 26.85 27.50 6.86 6.68 7.00 6.96 6.86 0.00 #15
13 Q Xintong HUANG / Xun ZHENG CHN 51.35 26.86 24.49 6.25 6.04 6.18 6.21 5.96 0.00 #13
14 Q Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 51.18 26.85 25.33 6.36 6.14 6.46 6.46 6.25 1.00 #9
15 Q Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 50.75 27.21 24.54 6.18 5.86 6.18 6.32 6.11 1.00 #6
16 Q Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 50.22 24.85 25.37 6.46 6.18 6.32 6.50 6.25 0.00 #5
17 Q Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 48.70 25.07 23.63 6.04 5.68 5.89 5.96 5.93 0.00 #1
18 Q Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 48.68 26.21 22.47 5.75 5.50 5.89 5.86 5.21 0.00 #10
19 Q Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 48.15 23.22 24.93 6.32 6.00 6.29 6.32 6.21 0.00 #4
20 Q Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 47.92 25.93 21.99 5.64 5.29 5.64 5.50 5.43 0.00 #11
21 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA 47.75 20.25 27.50 7.00 6.71 6.82 6.96 6.86 0.00 #17
22 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 47.24 25.86 21.38 5.79 5.39 5.54 5.57 4.64 0.00 #2
23 Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN 45.70 24.78 20.92 5.50 5.07 5.39 5.39 4.89 0.00 #3
24 Cathy REED / Chris REED JPN 44.19 21.21 23.98 6.21 5.86 5.79 6.25 5.86 1.00 #12
25 Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 44.08 23.51 20.57 5.43 5.00 5.32 5.32 4.75 0.00 #8

FD (Final)

Fourteen teams here scored high enough to qualify for Worlds

1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 110.34 52.78 57.56 9.50 9.43 9.68 9.68 9.82 0.00 #20
2 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 107.64 50.93 56.71 9.36 9.25 9.68 9.50 9.64 0.00 #16
3 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 104.05 49.50 54.55 8.96 8.93 9.18 9.25 9.29 0.00 #18
4 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 100.18 49.64 50.54 8.54 8.04 8.68 8.32 8.79 0.00 #17
5 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 95.66 46.87 48.79 8.36 7.75 8.21 8.21 8.36 0.00 #19
6 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 95.51 45.86 49.65 8.18 7.93 8.54 8.39 8.61 0.00 #13
7 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 92.46 42.86 49.60 8.32 8.07 8.36 8.36 8.36 0.00 #14
8 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 86.24 41.93 44.31 7.57 7.04 7.57 7.39 7.57 0.00 #12
9 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 85.07 42.78 42.29 7.21 6.75 7.18 7.18 7.11 0.00 #8
10 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 84.39 43.28 41.11 7.04 6.46 6.86 6.93 7.21 0.00 #11

12 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 80.05 41.78 38.27 6.50 6.04 6.61 6.50 6.46 0.00 #3
13 Xintong HUANG / Xun ZHENG CHN 78.92 41.50 37.42 6.50 6.04 6.29 6.36 6.07 0.00 #6
14 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 78.80 39.44 39.36 6.50 6.29 6.75 6.61 6.86 0.00 #7
15 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 78.42 40.42 38.00 6.39 6.07 6.50 6.43 6.46 0.00 #4

The Shibutanis scored high enough at 4CC's to qualify, although not here, since they completely blew the twizzles
11 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 82.37 35.71 46.66 7.79 7.71 7.68 7.93 7.82 0.00 #15

These teams did not score high enough here to qualify for Worlds:

16 Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 75.71 36.85 38.86 6.61 6.18 6.71 6.43 6.64 0.00 #9
17 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 74.96 36.28 39.68 6.61 6.46 6.61 6.79 6.71 1.00 #10 (qualified at Europeans)
18 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 74.44 38.99 35.45 5.93 5.57 5.93 6.25 6.11 0.00 #1
19 Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 73.85 36.93 36.92 6.21 5.86 6.29 6.29 6.32 0.00 #5
20 Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 64.31 32.99 32.32 5.46 5.14 5.32 5.71 5.46 1.00 #2

Again, I see that the qualifying score for Worlds in the SD is the biggest difficulty for a team.
 
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We have the GP series for the elites but World Championships and the Olympics should encompass the whole world to include all the best skaters every nation can produce...

I think there has been a gradual but irresistible movement throughout Cinquanta's reign to make the ISU less and less a community of national federations and more and more a world sports-governing body. It seems possible that one day the world championship will be contested by top-ranking individual skaters without regard to nationality.

The biggest change by far in moving from the 6.0 ordinal system to the present code of points paradigm is the role of the technical specialists. These officials are appointed directly by the ISU, they serve strictly at Cinquanta's pleasure, and in principle do not represent any national federation.

The older model was that each nation send its team to the world championship and especially to the Olympic games. The national tram comprised athletes, coaches, federation officials, publicists, and judges. The team was charged with bringing back as many medals as possible, and each team member was expected to do his or her part toward that goal, hence the lack of confidence in the fairness of judging that plagued figure skating throughout its 100-year-plus history.

To me, this minimum score thing fits the trend of increasing the central authority of the ISU and diminishing the prerogatives of the member federations.
 
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