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OK, I think we have a problem of semantics. When I hear, "Buying a gun (or anything else) over the internet" I think of doing something without personal contact and using shipping. In the case of Craigs list, etc, only advertising is done over the internet.
That was a good link you sent but I am here to tell you in practice, if you click on the WA state link, it just doesnt refect the truth of what will happen to you. I dont know what would happen in Florida or Arizona but in WA If the district atorney feels he has a case against you for shooting the guy stealing your car full of weapons and your dog, he will prosecute you and let the jury make the decision, while your bank account goes dry. Then, the relatives of the deceased will go after you in the civil courts. Win or loose, you loose. Ask your lawyer friend what happened to all those people who sued the bars with those mechanical bulls after they signed the waiver, got drunk, and got hurt. The waivers didnt mean a thing. They won in court and the bulls disappeared. (I was in Illinois at the time) The waivers on the tickets at the Reno air races didnt mean a thing when the race plane went into the crowd, either....people sue, DAs prosecute, the jury decides...and that is why I am here to tell you, my friends and I, law enforcement or not, are very careful as to what we would do in a tense situation. But every one of us wants the options available...the tools...to make decisions with. Prayers for all the peace officers that tonight will have to answer the call for a "domestic" and have to protect themselves and innocents from what may be nothing or everything. And for the honest citizens that will be doing much the same thing. (BTW, the would be child abducter in Spokane of yesterday has not been caught...he is still out there...waiting in the dark in his hole....
I am curious about your observations of Florida. I hate to play the race card but I think it is relavant. The indiginous people there......are they the issue? When I was there oh so many decades ago, it was my impression that racism was rampent and it was "driving Miss Daisy" all over again. It made me feel very uncomfortable in rural florida. Do you feel, snowbirds aside, that the local population is keeping these "shoot on sight if you feel like it " laws in place as a way of persecuting minorities? The reason I ask is that if those cases happened here, there is no way there would be no consequenses. But it would appear the people there in Florida feel the DA wont go after them as they couldnt find a jury that would agree with them.
That was a good link you sent but I am here to tell you in practice, if you click on the WA state link, it just doesnt refect the truth of what will happen to you. I dont know what would happen in Florida or Arizona but in WA If the district atorney feels he has a case against you for shooting the guy stealing your car full of weapons and your dog, he will prosecute you and let the jury make the decision, while your bank account goes dry. Then, the relatives of the deceased will go after you in the civil courts. Win or loose, you loose. Ask your lawyer friend what happened to all those people who sued the bars with those mechanical bulls after they signed the waiver, got drunk, and got hurt. The waivers didnt mean a thing. They won in court and the bulls disappeared. (I was in Illinois at the time) The waivers on the tickets at the Reno air races didnt mean a thing when the race plane went into the crowd, either....people sue, DAs prosecute, the jury decides...and that is why I am here to tell you, my friends and I, law enforcement or not, are very careful as to what we would do in a tense situation. But every one of us wants the options available...the tools...to make decisions with. Prayers for all the peace officers that tonight will have to answer the call for a "domestic" and have to protect themselves and innocents from what may be nothing or everything. And for the honest citizens that will be doing much the same thing. (BTW, the would be child abducter in Spokane of yesterday has not been caught...he is still out there...waiting in the dark in his hole....
I am curious about your observations of Florida. I hate to play the race card but I think it is relavant. The indiginous people there......are they the issue? When I was there oh so many decades ago, it was my impression that racism was rampent and it was "driving Miss Daisy" all over again. It made me feel very uncomfortable in rural florida. Do you feel, snowbirds aside, that the local population is keeping these "shoot on sight if you feel like it " laws in place as a way of persecuting minorities? The reason I ask is that if those cases happened here, there is no way there would be no consequenses. But it would appear the people there in Florida feel the DA wont go after them as they couldnt find a jury that would agree with them.
Yes, in any state, as far as I know, you can buy a gun legally on Craig's List, as long as you aren't going across state lines to pick it up.
There are 24 states that have sweeping Stand Your Ground (aka known as Shoot First or Make My Day) laws, like Florida's. Florida was the first state to have one of these laws, dating from 2005.
This website lists 24 states that it regards as having some version of Stand Your Ground. It has links to the specific laws.:
http://www.propublica.org/article/t...sweeping-self-defense-laws-just-like-floridas
Washington
Florida
Some of the 26 other states have "Castle Laws" that allow you to shoot people when you are in your own home, but not in the public street
Other states require you to have made some attempt to retreat or do something else that demonstrates when you shot someone, it was in self defense.
The requirements in FL to legally kill someone:
1. You must own your gun legally.
2. You must be in something like the public street or your house
3. You claim, and are believed, that you felt in fear of your life.
4. You cannot be proved to be doing something illegal.
That's it.
In fact, I suspect that's why I keep seeing gang folk killing people with legal guns and having concealed carry permits.
They can literally get away with murder. The dead guy does not contradict you.
As I said above, quoting the Tampa Bay paper, over 30% of the over 200 cases of Stand Your Ground they were able to document (that's more than 60 people) got shot or otherwise attacked while being unarmed and retreating, and the Stand Your Ground person was pursuing them.
That's just wrong.
I know 2 cases where a black guy playing music loud in a car was shot to death, and the shooter made "Stand Your Ground" work for himself.
But it's no wonder that we have felons with legal guns in FL-having a legal gun is a defense against a murder charge. It gives you one free murder; and maybe more, since if your first Stand Your Ground case works for you, you are blameless and can go out and murder someone else.
How to Buy a Gun over the Internet in Southwest FL
http://mynationalarmory.com/Page4.html
ABC News on buying guns over the internet
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/IndustryInfo/story?id=3049709&page=1
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