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Finlandia Trophy 2012 Oct 5 - Oct 7

Mao88

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Good solid start to the season for Julia, despite the step out on the 3T, especially as she has been recovering from injury.
 
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FSGMT

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LADIES COMPETITION - POSITION AFTER 10 OF 11

1. Kiira KORPI (FIN) - 69.27 (TES: 36.87, PCS: 32.40)
2. Julia LIPNITSKAYA (RUS) - 64.05 (TES: 35.50, PCS: 28.55)
3. Mirai NAGASU (USA) - 52.75 (TES: 26.20, PCS: 27.55, DED: 1.00)
4. Isabelle OLSSON (SWE) - 51.18 (TES: 27.49, PCS: 23.69)
5. Natalia POPOVA (UKR) - 48.74 (TES: 25.64, PCS: 23.10)
6. Sonia LAFUENTE (ESP) - 45.71 (TES: 23.37, PCS: 22.34)
7. Beata PAPP (FIN) - 45.59 (TES: 24.82, PCS: 20.77)
8. Fleur MAXWELL (LUX) - 44.93 (TES: 23.06, PCS: 21.87)
9. Jasmine COSTA (EST) - 42.66 (TES: 23.78, PCS: 19.88, DED: 1.00)
10. Alisa MIKONSAARI (FIN) - 39.54 (TES: 19.20, PCS: 20.34)

Lipnitskaya - 3Zx3T combination, 3F. 2A.

Nagasu - 3Tx3T combination (fall on 2nd part), 3R, 2A

Korpi - 3Tx3T combination, 3R, 2A
I just watched Julia's SP: 28.55 is really too much for that program! There wasn't practically any transition in the first minute and she looked very slow on the ice... I thought it was going to be something like 26, especially considering that Mirai's was 27.55!
 

FSGMT

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LADIES COMPETITION - POSITION AFTER 10 OF 11

1. Kiira KORPI (FIN) - 69.27 (TES: 36.87, PCS: 32.40)
2. Julia LIPNITSKAYA (RUS) - 64.05 (TES: 35.50, PCS: 28.55)
3. Mirai NAGASU (USA) - 52.75 (TES: 26.20, PCS: 27.55, DED: 1.00)
4. Isabelle OLSSON (SWE) - 51.18 (TES: 27.49, PCS: 23.69)
5. Natalia POPOVA (UKR) - 48.74 (TES: 25.64, PCS: 23.10)
6. Sonia LAFUENTE (ESP) - 45.71 (TES: 23.37, PCS: 22.34)
7. Beata PAPP (FIN) - 45.59 (TES: 24.82, PCS: 20.77)
8. Fleur MAXWELL (LUX) - 44.93 (TES: 23.06, PCS: 21.87)
9. Jasmine COSTA (EST) - 42.66 (TES: 23.78, PCS: 19.88, DED: 1.00)
10. Alisa MIKONSAARI (FIN) - 39.54 (TES: 19.20, PCS: 20.34)

Lipnitskaya - 3Zx3T combination, 3F. 2A.

Nagasu - 3Tx3T combination (fall on 2nd part), 3R, 2A

Korpi - 3Tx3T combination, 3R, 2A
I just watched Julia's SP: 28.55 is really too much for that program! There wasn't practically any transition in the first minute and she looked very slow on the ice... I thought it was going to be something like 26, especially considering that Mirai's was 27.55!
 

Macassar88

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Dec 21, 2011
Ugh... Julia needs to learn how to point her toes. But the judges in international competitions love her to bits, so she's not gonna change anything. She still seems to be skating right through the music throwing in gratuitous spirals in the most random places to rack up points.
 

Macassar88

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Ugh... Julia needs to learn how to point her toes. But the judges in international competitions love her to bits, so she's not gonna change anything. She still seems to be skating right through the music throwing in gratuitous spirals in the most random places to rack up points.
 

FSGMT

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Sep 10, 2012
Ugh... Julia needs to learn how to point her toes. But the judges in international competitions love her to bits, so she's not gonna change anything. She still seems to be skating right through the music throwing in gratuitous spirals in the most random places to rack up points.
That's exactly what I noticed! :agree: She's like Leonova: horrible choreography, a wild use of her body, their programs don't have any relationship with the music but, when they land their jumps, the judges give them high PCS!
 

FSGMT

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Ugh... Julia needs to learn how to point her toes. But the judges in international competitions love her to bits, so she's not gonna change anything. She still seems to be skating right through the music throwing in gratuitous spirals in the most random places to rack up points.
That's exactly what I noticed! :agree: She's like Leonova: horrible choreography, a wild use of her body, their programs don't have any relationship with the music but, when they land their jumps, the judges give them high PCS!
 

sky_fly20

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Nov 20, 2011
Ugh... Julia needs to learn how to point her toes. But the judges in international competitions love her to bits, so she's not gonna change anything. She still seems to be skating right through the music throwing in gratuitous spirals in the most random places to rack up points.
hey hush, Kiira is World Champion with her SP score

indeed, feel like I'm watching acrobatics with those many spirals and flexibilities more than figure skating :laugh:
the music is actually good you can do so much choreography with this program, but not surprised didnt Julia/Tutberidze choreographed her own SP ?
 

sky_fly20

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Ugh... Julia needs to learn how to point her toes. But the judges in international competitions love her to bits, so she's not gonna change anything. She still seems to be skating right through the music throwing in gratuitous spirals in the most random places to rack up points.
hey hush, Kiira is World Champion with her SP score

indeed, feel like I'm watching acrobatics with those many spirals and flexibilities more than figure skating :laugh:
the music is actually good you can do so much choreography with this program, but not surprised didnt Julia/Tutberidze choreographed her own SP ?
 

Mao88

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Mar 9, 2011
Ugh... Julia needs to learn how to point her toes. But the judges in international competitions love her to bits, so she's not gonna change anything. She still seems to be skating right through the music throwing in gratuitous spirals in the most random places to rack up points.

She is only 14 years old. These things should come with time
 
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sky_fly20

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That's exactly what I noticed! :agree: She's like Leonova: horrible choreography, a wild use of her body, their programs don't have any relationship with the music but, when they land their jumps, the judges give them high PCS!

:agree:
 

Mao88

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LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT

1. Kiira KORPI (FIN) - 69.27 (TES: 36.87, PCS: 32.40)
2. Julia LIPNITSKAYA (RUS) - 64.05 (TES: 35.50, PCS: 28.55)
3. Mirai NAGASU (USA) - 52.75 (TES: 26.20, PCS: 27.55, DED: 1.00)
4. Isabelle OLSSON (SWE) - 51.18 (TES: 27.49, PCS: 23.69)
5. Natalia POPOVA (UKR) - 48.74 (TES: 25.64, PCS: 23.10)
6. Juulia TURKKILA (FIN) - 47.04 (TES: 25.23, PCS: 22.81, DED: 1.00)
7. Sonia LAFUENTE (ESP) - 45.71 (TES: 23.37, PCS: 22.34)
8. Beata PAPP (FIN) - 45.59 (TES: 24.82, PCS: 20.77)
9. Fleur MAXWELL (LUX) - 44.93 (TES: 23.06, PCS: 21.87)
10. Jasmine COSTA (EST) - 42.66 (TES: 23.78, PCS: 19.88, DED: 1.00)
11. Alisa MIKONSAARI (FIN) - 39.54 (TES: 19.20, PCS: 20.34)

Lipnitskaya - 3Zx3T combination, 3F. 2A. Good solid start to the season for Julia, despite the step out on the 3T, especially as she has been recovering from injury.

Nagasu - 3Tx3T combination (fall on 2nd part), 3R, 2A

Korpi - 3Tx3T combination, 3R, 2A.
 
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raress

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Sep 28, 2009
All the scores were inflated IMO...u can't compare Kira's maturity and elegance with Julia's sloppy and no transition skating...i agree ,Julia is talented but she needs a lot of work to achieve Korpi's skating skills,and also is a very good skating from Kiira I wasn't expecting 3-3 and such a clean skate this early,good job...I'm pleased with the results.:)
 

Mao88

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Mar 9, 2011
hey hush, Kiira is World Champion with her SP score

indeed, feel like I'm watching acrobatics with those many spirals and flexibilities more than figure skating :laugh:
the music is actually good you can do so much choreography with this program, but not surprised didnt Julia/Tutberidze choreographed her own SP ?

You highlight the main problem with COP. A lot of elements are included simply to accumulate points. Bring back the 6.0 system, and you will get more elegant, better choreographed programs. Its COP that makes the programs ugly, simply because the main objective is to accumulate points, not construct the perfectly choreographed program
 

koatcue

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Aug 31, 2011
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Julia is very confident. Maturity will come with age. This is her senior debut! And quite a good one:) I think that she will make some changes throughout the season in her programs so I'm not worried about her score))And her spins and jumps just get better imho)
 

sky_fly20

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Nov 20, 2011
You highlight the main problem with COP. A lot of elements are included simply to accumulate points. Bring back the 6.0 system, and you will get more elegant, better choreographed programs. Its COP that makes the programs ugly, simply because the main objective is to accumulate points, not construct the perfectly choreographed program

6.0 wasnt perfect either, we wouldn't want skaters not getting penalized with grave UR , edge problems etc., all system needs a rework
I feel they just to emphasize more what components for artistry for this new CoP
 
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