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    Question Burning CDs?

    Hi! I have a compeition coming up and was going to burn extra CDs. I know you're supposed to use CD-R and that's what I have, but when I go to burn it ask how long of a gap before it starts playing. Is there a regulation on this? I read somewhere it had to be less than 2 seconds. What do you use/what is normal to use? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingintexas View Post
    Hi! I have a compeition coming up and was going to burn extra CDs. I know you're supposed to use CD-R and that's what I have, but when I go to burn it ask how long of a gap before it starts playing. Is there a regulation on this? I read somewhere it had to be less than 2 seconds. What do you use/what is normal to use? Thanks!
    I think the gap is for in between tracks. Like if you have a live dj mix or an album that is continuous you want to remove the gap so the music isn't broken up. I always choose no gap if I'm burning CD's. If you have a few blank CD's burn one and put it in a cd player other than your computer if possible and try it out. Always a good idea to have a few copies.

    Good Luck at the competition!!
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    People still do this?

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    I would do no more than 2 seconds. I always thought it was when the music starts that the time starts, not when the cd starts.

    We use cd's - we have had comps that asked for music to ebe uploaded and something goes wrong and your music doesn't show up so they asked for cd's. We always bring two - one for check in and one for the coach.

    We also have practice cd's. There is rink music but there are times when it is down and they bring out a cd player. You can use an mp3 etc, but who is going to leave their on the boards? It's just easier to have a cd.

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    Thanks so much for the responses! I put 1 sec, but it does say between songs, so it probably doesn't matter! Thanks!

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    Make sure you test it, if at all possible, before the competition - and make sure you test both discs. I was nearly caught out a competition once where I had been using one disc for practice, burned a backup - but the discs were the same colour in the same colour case, and I hadn't marked which disc I had been practicing with. On the day, I had handed in the new disc by accident - and it didn't work. I had to get someone to scramble through my skate bag to find the other disc.

    After that day, I always made sure to mark which disc I had been practicing with, and that's the one I had in at the desk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabinfire View Post
    People still do this?
    Pardon my ignorance but how else would you do it? At least in my area, that is the "standard" practice at both competitions and test sessions. We have yet to skate a competition/test session that evens give us an option for anything different. I have seen skates use MP3 players for practice but not for competitions.

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    Today my daughter participated in a test session. One of the lower level skaters (pre-pre) had his music on his phone. The parent had to turn over their phone until the child was done skating.

    I would not be willing to do that. When we sign in at a competition, we have to turn in our music then. I cannot imagine turning over my phone and then waiting for a couple of hours until after my daughter to skates to get it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concorde View Post
    Pardon my ignorance but how else would you do it? At least in my area, that is the "standard" practice at both competitions and test sessions. We have yet to skate a competition/test session that evens give us an option for anything different. I have seen skates use MP3 players for practice but not for competitions.
    Bad joke. I have not burned a CD in years and have at least 10 MP3 devices laying around, so I couldn't imagine switching back to discs. Also, CDs are more prone to skipping than good digital MP3s. But yes, a CD-R disc is always cheaper and more disposable than an MP3 player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Make sure you test it, if at all possible, before the competition - and make sure you test both discs. I was nearly caught out a competition once where I had been using one disc for practice, burned a backup - but the discs were the same colour in the same colour case, and I hadn't marked which disc I had been practicing with. On the day, I had handed in the new disc by accident - and it didn't work. I had to get someone to scramble through my skate bag to find the other disc.

    After that day, I always made sure to mark which disc I had been practicing with, and that's the one I had in at the desk.
    I will. Haven't had a chance yet, but I know that you have to and to do it on a different device than you burned it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabinfire View Post
    Bad joke. I have not burned a CD in years and have at least 10 MP3 devices laying around, so I couldn't imagine switching back to discs. Also, CDs are more prone to skipping than good digital MP3s. But yes, a CD-R disc is always cheaper and more disposable than an MP3 player.
    Competition announcements typically (99%) of the time say CD

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Competition announcements typically (99%) of the time say CD


    For example, Mrs. P. had quoted the 2015 Four Continents language in an old post in the Stupid Questions thread (and posted a 2015 Nats photo of Jason burning a CD):

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    In Jason Brown photo gallery for nationals, there's a photo of him burning a CD at the credential area: http://web.icenetwork.com/photos/108871878 (photo 6 of 13)

    According to the 4CC event annnouncement (http://isuprod.blob.core.windows.net...ment_final.pdf)

    All Competitors shall furnish competition music of excellent quality on CD (Compact Disc) or in any other approved format.
    In accordance with Rule 343, paragraph 1, all discs must show the Competition event, Competitors name, the Nation and the exact running time of the music - not skating time - including any starting signal, which shall be certified by the Competitor and by the coach, when submitted at the time of registration. Competitors must provide a back-up drive for each program.
    The titles, composers and orchestras of the music to be used for the Short Program and Free Skating Program for Singles and Pairs, for the Short Dance and Free Dance Program for Ice Dance and for the Exhibition, must be listed for each Competitor on the official Competition Music Form.
    If music information is not complete and disks not provided, accreditation will not be given.
    The announcement does not specify what would be acceptable as "any other approved format."
    (Over the years I have come across a few random references/photos to a row of smartphones lined up for a music official to play -- at some lower-level comps, I guess??)
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    In theory, skaters could use a file format for their music. FLAC, WAV comes in mind here, MP3 I wouldn't use for big sound systems and If I do then at least in 320kb. You can burn those on a CD as well, but you would need a device that can read these formats. If you see skaters then they usually have their program music on the headphones during warm up, so the file format is already in use by them.

    Personally, if I would be in charge of music, then I would allow skaters to give me an USB stick with their music on and this I then plug in to my mixer, sound device, player, Laptop etc. In my opinion this would finally get rid of the whole drama in regards of faulty CD´s, but I am not sure if the ISU is up for the 21st century yet That said, also USB sticks can break or cause trouble, maybe the ISU could release a standard USB brand that is given to all skaters prior to an event.

    I also suggested a cloud server where they could upload their media to and the DJ will just grab it from there in advance. Sure more work for us, but less for the skaters and this is what matters most.

    As a musician / sound engineer you can also convert file formats, so even if something is wrong with the format supplied by an athlete, you could fix it and this would take some strain from the athletes as well. I work with music a lot and maybe I am biased here and sorry for the off topic, but I thought it might be an interesting view, hearing from someone who is working with said media.

    Good luck to skatingintexas for his / her competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex D View Post
    I also suggested a cloud server where they could upload their media to and the DJ will just grab it from there in advance. Sure more work for us, but less for the skaters and this is what matters most.
    A competition I went to did something of this nature and the music problems were 10 times WORSE than standard CD-Rs. Typically a competition of about 500 will have issues with about 5 CDs. This was a competition of about 200 and there were at least 20 people's music messed up and they had to provide a CD anyway. Most rink CD players read MP3 formats these days so as long as you finalize your disk, typically there are no problems

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    I just looked at the Philly Open (formerly Liberty Open) announcement and they do NOT want a CD. Rather they listed 3 formatting options (MP3 was one). They preferred that the music be submitted in the specified digital format at the time of registration.

    The announcement continues to state that skaters should still bring their music in CD format to the competition.

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