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Different 3-3s

FSGMT

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I was watching Shelepen's recent performances, and I found out that she attempted FOUR different 3-3s in the last competitions:
3T+3T (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_89D8fhNRc&feature=relmfu)
3S+3T (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcnQ-hIJsIg)
3Lz+3T (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcnQ-hIJsIg)
3Lz+3Lo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlBllbnRZC0 And, I don't remember where, but I saw her landing it earlier this season: she fell, but it looked fully rotated!)
Could she be the lady who landed (even if not perfectly) the highest numer of different 3-3s? Adelina landed three of them (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T and 3Lz+3Lo), the same Liza (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3Lz+3T), Kostner (3F+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3T+3T) and Yu-Na (the same as Carolina)... Do you remember any other lady who landed more than three different 3-3s? :think::popcorn:
 

FlattFan

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I was watching Shelepen's recent performances, and I found out that she attempted FOUR different 3-3s in the last competitions:
3T+3T (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_89D8fhNRc&feature=relmfu)
3S+3T (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcnQ-hIJsIg)
3Lz+3T (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcnQ-hIJsIg)
3Lz+3Lo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlBllbnRZC0 And, I don't remember where, but I saw her landing it earlier this season: she fell, but it looked fully rotated!)
Could she be the lady who landed (even if not perfectly) the highest numer of different 3-3s? Adelina landed three of them (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T and 3Lz+3Lo), the same Liza (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3Lz+3T), Kostner (3F+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3T+3T) and Yu-Na (the same as Carolina)... Do you remember any other lady who landed more than three different 3-3s? :think::popcorn:

Shiz did 3Lz-3T 3T-3T 3Sal-3T and 3Sal-3Loop in competitions.
She had the 3Lz-3Loop but never put them in.
She also had the 3T3T3Loop or 3Sal3T3Loop in practice.
 
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I know for sure that Midori Ito landed 3t-3t, 3lz-3t, and 3a-3t in competitions. I think she also landed 3loop-3loop in sp some times, but I don't remember exactly. She sure was a pioneer, and I've felt often sorry that figure skating back then wasn't really ready for her.
 
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Elena Radionova lands 3Lz+3 and 3Lo+1Lo+3S (at Cup of Russia III she landed both in FS).
Past season she landed 3Lo+3T in SP (solo 3Lz was needed in Junior SP that season).

She also lands 3S+3T at practice and warm-up, being younger she made it at competitions.

I believe, earlier she landed also 3T+3T (simplest 3+3), but I can not find so early protocols.
 

FSGMT

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Shiz did 3Lz-3T 3T-3T 3Sal-3T and 3Sal-3Loop in competitions.
She had the 3Lz-3Loop but never put them in.
She also had the 3T3T3Loop or 3Sal3T3Loop in practice.
I know about 3Lz+3T and 3S+3T, but 3S+3Lo... when?
 

gkelly

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I know about 3Lz+3T and 3S+3T, but 3S+3Lo... when?

2001 Skate America, but the loop would have been downgraded under IJS.

As, indeed, would be true of many triple loop combinations before and since.

Slutskaya did 3S+3Lo, 3T+3T, and 3Lz+3Lo in competition. I had seen her attempting 3Lo+3Lo in practice once, way back in 1995, but I don't think it was ready for competition yet and apparently never got there. She did do 3Lo+2Lo fairly often.
 
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Lipnitskaia at competitions jumps only 3T+3T and 3Lz+3T.
At practice she jumps all combos with 3T and 3Lo as second jump.
Once she skated FS at practice and landed 3F+3T instead of 3F+2T, i.e. third 3T.
Eteri stopped her skating and not hearing Julia's "I only wanted to test can I do it" taught her "never, never, never!!! make invalid elements in program".
 

MoonlightSkater

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Elena Radionova lands 3Lz+3 and 3Lo+1Lo+3S (at Cup of Russia III she landed both in FS).
Past season she landed 3Lo+3T in SP (solo 3Lz was needed in Junior SP that season).

She also lands 3S+3T at practice and warm-up, being younger she made it at competitions.

I believe, earlier she landed also 3T+3T (simplest 3+3), but I can not find so early protocols.

This is getting nit-picky, but that's 3Lo-1/2 Lo- 3S. It has to be a 1/2 Loop to land on the proper foot for the Salchow takeoff.
 

Mrs. P

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This is getting nit-picky, but that's 3Lo-1/2 Lo- 3S. It has to be a 1/2 Loop to land on the proper foot for the Salchow takeoff.

Yep. But for some reason, they just count it as a 1Lo on the protocol sheets. Anyone know why?
 

Mrs. P

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Gracie has landed the following this season:
3F-3T (Skate Detroit SP)
3Z-3T (Skate Detroit FS; Skate Detroit FS [final round]; SLC FS; Skate Canada FS)
3F-1L(1/2L)-3S (Skate Detroit FS [Final round]; SLC FS)

I hope she can land all three combos at the same competition.
 

Slowdive

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I want to see a skater do a 3T or 3Z-2A combo (or is that humanly possible)?
Actually I was thinking about this the other day (combos in general).
I didn't know how frequently a skater performed either a loop, toe-loop or salchow as the second part of a combo (ie. which is the preferred attached jump on a combo).
 
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This is getting nit-picky, but that's 3Lo-1/2 Lo- 3S. It has to be a 1/2 Loop to land on the proper foot for the Salchow takeoff.
Yes, it is Half loop, or Euler jump. In protocols (only if it is middle jump of 3-jumps combo) it is written and scored as 1Lo. In other cases it is unlisted jump.
 

FSGMT

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I want to see a skater do a 3T or 3Z-2A combo (or is that humanly possible)?
Actually I was thinking about this the other day (combos in general).
I didn't know how frequently a skater performed either a loop, toe-loop or salchow as the second part of a combo (ie. which is the preferred attached jump on a combo).
The toeloop is obviously the easiest because of the position of your left leg in the landing (I'm a figure skater, so I can tell you this!), but some skaters (Mao, Miki for example) prefer the loop, especially in the 3-3s. And, I usually consider 3-3s just the ones with the toeloop or the loop, the ones with the salchow were considered SEQ under the IJS 'till 2010, now they're 3-jumps combos, but doing a 2-jumps 3-3 is definitely more difficult!
 
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Yep. But for some reason, they just count it as a 1Lo on the protocol sheets. Anyone know why?
Because ISU solved so.
It is made to have a wider variety of combos. 1Lo has low enough score (base 0.5), and it is called 1Lo to not make one more name and string in Scale of Values.
 

Slowdive

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The toeloop is obviously the easiest because of the position of your left leg in the landing (I'm a figure skater, so I can tell you this!), but some skaters (Mao, Miki for example) prefer the loop, especially in the 3-3s. And, I usually consider 3-3s just the ones with the toeloop or the loop, the ones with the salchow were considered SEQ under the IJS 'till 2010, now they're 3-jumps combos, but doing a 2-jumps 3-3 is definitely more difficult!

Thanks for the info!
What's SEQ?
 
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I want to see a skater do a 3T or 3Z-2A combo (or is that humanly possible)?
2A+2A, 3T+2A, 3S+2A, 3Lo+2A are often enough. But these are not combos, but sequences (i.e. base value is 20% lower). Always if Axel-type jump is not first in Combo, Combo is treated as Sequence.
 
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What's SEQ?
"A jump sequence may consist of any number of jumps of any number of revolutions that may be linked by non-listed jumps and/or hops immediately following each other while maintaining the jump rhythm (knee); there can be no turns/steps (not even as an entry into a jump), crossovers or stroking during the sequence (Turns are three turns, twizzles, brackets, loops, counters, rockers. Steps are toe steps, chasses, mohawks, choctaws, curves with change of edge, cross-rolls)."

Base value of sequence is 20% lower than combo or solo jump.
 
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