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2012 NHK Ladies Free Skate

pitterpatter

On the Ice
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Oct 25, 2012
there is home inflation here its understandable

Akiko is skating at home too, and as the reigning world bronze medalist, so I really don't get it. If the JSF started promoting Akiko better, it'd be a win-win all around. Akiko would finally start benefiting from her amazing consistency, and Mao would be able to work out her issues away from the spotlight and without the media pressuring her about the triple axel all the time.
 

mikeko666

Final Flight
Joined
Apr 27, 2011
It really looks more like a beauty pageant now. Asada always gets high PCS because she's pretty and rich no matter how many mistakes disrupt her performance. Suzuki never receives PCS her performance deserves because she's old and not pretty or rich enough.
 

StellaCampo

On the Ice
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Nov 19, 2011
Surely, amongst you posters there are mathematicians who can prove scoring is not at arm's length. Though judges are anonymous we have their names and can find their background and the competitions they judged, and patterns will emerge.
Already, with COR pairs I compared the PCSs of top 3 pairs with top 3 at COC and noted patterns.
I have seen academic papers analysing FS scores under COP despite judge anonymity and there was the conclusion that conationality of the judge & skater adds x points to the score, etc. I don't claim to understand the argument because unfortunately there is a lot of maths and stats involved.
But I hope there may be someone watching today's event who might be inclined to have a go...
 

mary01

Final Flight
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Nov 20, 2011
I agree but it's clear by watching the protocol the judges tried hard to let her win. Huge GOE on everything she did. The triples she did were OK, but not worthy of +2 GOE, for example. She got the benefit of the doubt for the first time in years on the 3 jump combo(when is the last time she got one completely ratified)?
I don't think the PCS Mao got were the problem, but the GOE she received IMO. This is were she won.
And Akiko should have won in Canada also. She really should skate for another country

I don't agree, the same happened for akiko last year at NHK where akiko made big error in the free, but still won.
 

Mirunna

Record Breaker
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Jul 12, 2009
It really looks more like a beauty pageant now. Asada always gets high PCS because she's pretty and rich no matter how many mistakes disrupt her performance. Suzuki never receives PCS her performance deserves because she's old and not pretty or rich enough.

This is completely unnecessary and I hate it when people bash the skaters for the system's faults.
 

christinaskater

Medalist
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
I have to agree that skating is starting to turn into one big beauty pageant.

Akiko is one of the best skaters and she doesn't get the PCS scores she deserves because she is not as pretty as the others which is unfair.

It's about the beauty of skating. Akiko may not be one of the prettiest but she is beautiful in her own right.

She may not get the endorsements and the publicity as other superstars but she is a superstar in her own right.
 

PftJump

On the Ice
Joined
Nov 28, 2008
This...is not surprised...
Mao's TES score is always super lower than her PCS.

NHK trophy is jpn sponcered competition.
I really understand this result. Beloved ASADA, Hated SUZUKI.
 

yuki

Final Flight
Joined
Mar 2, 2012
it was really sooooo close!

The problem is, it shouldn't have been. Akiko was lowballed on PCS (again!) for what is probably the best LP she has ever skated. Mao shouldn't have even been ahead of Mirai in the LP here, yet she edged Akiko for the gold. That was completely unnecessary and a slap in the face for Akiko. Even if Akiko had been first and Mao second, they would have both still qualified for the GPF.
 

Li'Kitsu

Record Breaker
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Dec 29, 2011
Mirunna said:
I agree but it's clear by watching the protocol the judges tried hard to let her win. Huge GOE on everything she did. The triples she did were OK, but not worthy of +2 GOE, for example. She got the benefit of the doubt for the first time in years on the 3 jump combo(when is the last time she got one completely ratified)?
I don't think the PCS Mao got were the problem, but the GOE she received IMO. This is were she won.
And Akiko should have won in Canada also. She really should skate for another country

I actually think the GOE for her spins and steps were okay, could have been a little less but nothing that would make me think of a scandal or maybe a little too much vodka before the event. And the 3Lo+2Lo+2Lo looked rotated to me and it didn't really get GOE at all. So the only elements I think were overscored were the 3F and 2A+3T - but that's just about 2 points. She would have still been way ahead of Mirai... it's weird, how I can look at those protocols and agree with the single elements scoring, but not with the whole.

Besides that, just to have said it once more: poor Akiko was low-balled in PCS. Someday I'm going to visit an event where she skates just to throwing something that stinks like hell at those jugdes :mad:
 
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pitterpatter

On the Ice
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Oct 25, 2012
With her lead from the SP and knowing her PCS scores, I actually would've been okay with her placing second, since Mirai had a number of UR issues. But Akiko... :cry:
 

PftJump

On the Ice
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Nov 28, 2008
three doubling, one singling...only 3 triples...missed one combination...

and got 117.

what a super...
 

naan

Rinkside
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Oct 6, 2012
I couldn't believe my eyes. Wow, it was a joke! One of the worst and unfair judging I've ever seen.
Poor Akiko :cry: She's my favorite Japanese lady, but she's always underscored. She wuzrobbed at SC, too.

Mao should have been 3rd or 4th... 64.54 for PCS with that blah performance?
Even her 3F in SP looked UR. ( I thought it was fluz...) And she got GOE on double jumps! 1.2 GOE for her 2A+3T? I thought Mirai's 2A+3T was better, but she got 0.5 for that..
Even Mao's clean jumps all looked small. I don't think her other elements were great. OK, her SP step was fab, but not her LP. She looked slow today. Her spin was not fast..
I don't understand how she got almost 53 for TES...
 
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