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Can Ross Miner become the next National Champion?

silverlake22

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Abbott has had a lot of trouble getting decent spin levels the last couple years.

PCS would still put him ahead of Ross if they both skate clean with quad in SP and 1 quad and 2 3a in FS. Clean Jeremy gets marked through the roof at Nationals, usually deservedly, thing is once he makes one mistake he's prone to making others, and then they mar the performance and the marks go down quite a bit. And Abbott is such a good spinner so the level thing surprises me a bit.
 

ImaginaryPogue

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re: Spin levels - They've led to some funky point totals. Like Lysacek outscoring Lambiel on spins at the Turin Olympics

I'm halfway between silverlake and the rest of this thread. A clean Jeremy wipes the mat with every other American men. I'm not convinced a clean Dornbush beats a clean Miner this season, though.
 

dorispulaski

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Abbott is no more consistent with his spins than he is with his jumps.

Skate America- 6 spins, 2 level 2 spins, 3 level 3 spins, 1 level 4 spin, for a total for all his spins at SkAm of 19.54
TEB-6 spins-1 level 1 spin, 1 level 2 spins, 2 level 3 spins, 1 level 4 spin, for a total for all his spins at TEB of 19.69

Miner scores better than Abbott on spins
SkCa - 6 spins, 1 level3, 5 level 4's for a total of 21.87 points
NHK - 6 spins, 6 level 4's for a total of 24.56 points

In other words, Miner outscored Abbott on spins over this year's GP by 7.20 points

So no, Abbott is not a great spinner IMO. He is no Lambiel with gorgeous positions but no COP levels, for that matter either, also IMO.
 

silverlake22

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The thing about Ross vs. Ricky, is that Ross plans a 4s, 3a, 3a-2t, and 3lz-2t all in the first half of his program, he does have the 3f-1/2lo-3s seq in the 2nd half but that's the only big point getter in his program after the halfway mark. Meanwhile, Ricky plans 4t-2t, 4t, and 3a in the first half of his program, but then has 3a-2t-2lo and 3lz (tano)-3t (tano) in the 2nd half, so his BV is going to be quite a bit higher. Assuming the PCS marks will be similar, a clean Ricky should top a clean Ross, due to 2 quads and a less front-loaded program (2 big combos in the 2nd half, one with 3a). But this is just on paper, Dornbush isn't as consistent and his layout is more ambitious.
 
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