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2013 Europeans Ladies - Short Program

Mao88

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Not at all, it is clear a clean Osmond will easily be several points higher than Sotnikova. You don't have to believe me, just post a new thread in the Edge with both their SP SBS and ask for people to comment. I am quite underwhelmed by Sotnikova from a PCS standpoint, she looked petrified out there until the very end when she knew she skated clean. Before then, the tension in her face and body really cut into her performance. In contrast, Osmond showed no such tension any point at all and performed to her highest level throughout. On that alone, the PCS score would have buried Stonikova alive.

Her marks would be nowhere near Sotnikova's. Osmond is the worlds most overrated skater. Osmondflation is now higher than inflation, when looking at the inflation element, and her marks at Skate Canada and Canadian Nationals bore no resemblance to reality.
 

wallylutz

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I don't argue with that, you might be right. I somehow agree about Adelina, she came to life after the jumps, but other than Interpretation why should she lose any PCS area to Osmond for instance? I only said Sotnikova is better because I though of the technical part(spins and steps) and Adelina is better here. Don't want to start a useless argument about who is better from the 2
Sotnikova already got over 30 and 32-33 is Mao/Yuna category so I'm not sure how deep would Sotnikova be buried

My intention is not to argue either. But you should know her coach is an ISU Technical Specialist and all her spins and steps were precisely choreographed to maximize their levels - that is one of the main reasons of her success so far. The GOE is another matter but that will more dependent on how each of them skate on that particular day. More likely than not, I think their GOE is a wash at this point. But when you factor the transitions that Osmond do which Sotnikova doesn't do (as well), the Russian will not have much of an edge TES wise with the same jump content but will most likely be beaten in PCS. So far, their track record this season is Osmond 1 - Sotnikova 0, that's just fact.
 

wallylutz

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Her marks would be nowhere near Sotnikova's. Osmond is the worlds most overrated skater. Osmondflation is now higher than inflation, when looking at the inflation element, and her marks at Skate Canada and Canadian Nationals bore no resemblance to reality.

LOL, you do realize that Sotnikova has already lost to Osmond in a competition this season, right?
 

jiggs

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Mar 25, 2004
Is this sufficient under the SP rules re: connecting steps prior to the solo jump?

Why would it not be? It's three turns that lead right into the jump, without a break before the take-off. That is more difficult than doing some random steps - pausing - and then taking off.
 
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sky_fly20

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Nov 20, 2011
hmmm Osmond will bury Sotnikova with clean a score of 70+ ? based on Canadian national score notorious for giving superinflated scores
the 300+ LP for Chan anyone ? lol,

a 70+ is already Mao/Yuna might score it, Carolina is clean might not even crack 70+
and Sotnikova had almost the same pcs as Carolina
 

Mao88

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LOL, you do realize that Sotnikova has already lost to Osmond in a competition this season, right?

In a competition in which Sotnikova made multiple mistakes, and even then Osmond only beat her by a relatively small margin.
 

bekalc

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LOL, you do realize that Sotnikova has already lost to Osmond in a competition this season, right?

Adelina made more mistakes, so I'm not sure what the point is there. In terms of personality, I'm not sure tension on the face is a P/C category. I think too that Sotnikova (if you watch her in exhibitions) has plenty of personality. She is just getting use to competiting at this level. She has far more internal competition than Osmond has. And I think has been dealing with a lot of pressure/expectations for years. I think this moment may have been a break through for Adelina. She just needed the time to get use to all of those expectations, and this is by far the most high pressure competition she's been to yet.

I'm thrilled Sotnikova is getting it together, she is by far the best of the young Russians. I say lets see how they compare when they both skate well.
 

wallylutz

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Why would it not be? It's three turns that lead right into the jump, without a break before the take-off. That is more difficult than doing some random steps - pausing - and then taking off.

Maybe because the SP requirement is a lot more stringent than that?

See here:

"Solo jumps must be different from the jumps included in the combination. A single spread eagle, spiral/Free Skating movement cannot be considered as meeting the
requirements
of connecting steps and/or other comparable Free Skating
movements the lack of which must be considered by the Judges in the GOE."


http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-197593-214816-125742-0-file,00.pdf

Please note the wording "A single" which is put in bold and underlined.

If you feel, after reading this precise requirement in rules that this jump still meets the required standard, I have nothing else to add.
 

kwanatic

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Wonderful to see Adelina pull off a great SP like that! I believe she had a solid SP at nationals too so that's good. I really hope she can keep her focus for the LP. I've said it a lot but Adelina is one of the few newcomers who is on par with the top ladies in the field not only in terms of technical content but in terms of PCS as well. It's impossible to ignore her when she skates like that! Gorgeous lines, great speed, interesting spins, huge jumps, and lots of fire and energy. That was the best she's been all season long!

As for those not willing to wait on Adelina, adios. I ain't goin' nowhere! :) She is an amazing talent and if I have to wait until she's 25 to see her realize that talent, then wait I shall. But at 16/17 years old, what's the rush? Like the rest of these newcomers, Adelina's time will come after Sochi. I adore her and her skating and I'm so happy for her.

Despite the fall Carolina was lovely. I love how the 3L went right with the music. It's a phenomenal program...one of her best SPs ever IMO. I'm not too crazy about that dress though. The red part on the front looks like they're hands on her hips...??? I don't like it. I thought the purple dress was beautiful. I don't doubt Carolina will come back strong in the LP and win this thing...

I haven't been able to find any video of Valentina yet. I really like her SP this year so if she performed it like she did at SA I already know I'll love it. Good for her :)

Liza T had a few issues but I think her footwork section was nice. Great connection to the judges; it fit in perfectly with the theme of the program. She has some ground to make up but I'm almost positive she'll move ahead of Valentina onto the podium.


I expect Carolina to win and Adelina and Liza T to battle for silver and bronze. I'd like to see Adelina get 2nd. I think she could use the confidence boost going into worlds...
 

Tanja90

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Is this sufficient under the SP rules re: connecting steps prior to the solo jump?

of course!!!! and it's not the first year she is doing it...she did in every short where she planned the loop apart from 2011. this means: 03-04-05-06-12. and she is not the only one who is doinh it! wagner also does it even if the jump is not so immediate after the turns. And a canadian or american commentator after seeing this element done by carolina said that this is the most difficult entrance into the loop....I really can't see the point of your post
 

Tanja90

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Maybe because the SP requirement is a lot more stringent than that?

See here:

"Solo jumps must be different from the jumps included in the combination. A single spread eagle, spiral/Free Skating movement cannot be considered as meeting the
requirements
of connecting steps and/or other comparable Free Skating
movements the lack of which must be considered by the Judges in the GOE."


http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-197593-214816-125742-0-file,00.pdf

Please note the wording "A single" which is put in bold and underlined.

If you feel, after reading this precise requirement in rules that this jump still meets the required standard, I have nothing else to add.
where do you see a spread eagle or a spiral before carolina's loop? and if you think that three turns are not steps really....
 

Mao88

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Mar 9, 2011
LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT (Updated)

1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 67.61 Short Program, 2nd Copy
2. Carolina KOSTNER (ITA) - 64.19 Short Program, 2nd Copy
3. Valentina MARCHEI (ITA) - 58.22 Short Program
4. Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS) - 57.18 Short Program
5. Joshi HELGESSON (SWE) - 55.04
6. Viktoria HELGESSON (SWE) - 54.77 Short Program
7. Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY (FRA) - 53.32 Short Program
8. Nathalie WEINZIERL (GER) - 52.28 Short Program
9. Elena GLEBOVA (EST) - 51.90 Short Program, 2nd Copy
10. Juulia TURKKILA (FIN) - 51.47 Short Program
11. Sonia LAFUENTE (ESP) - 51.07 Short Program
12. Nikol GOSVIANI (RUS) - 50.92 Short Program
13. Mae Berenice MEITE (FRA) - 50.79 Short Program
14. Monika SIMANCIKOVA (SVK) - 50.27
15. Kerstin FRANK (AUT) - 49.60
16. Elene GEDEVANISHVILI (GEO) - 48.75 Short Program
17. Anita MADSEN (DEN) - 47.97 Short Program
18. Kaat VAN DAELE (BEL) - 47.18 Short Program
19. Jenna MCCORKELL (GBR) - 47.17 Short Program
20. Fleur MAXWELL (LUX) - 46.66 Short Program
21. Sila SAYGI (TUR) - 46.17 Short Program
22. Tina STUERZINGER (SUI) - 45.73 Short Program
23. Anne Line GJERSEM (NOR) - 45.72 Short Program
24. Natalia POPOVA (UKR) - 45.60
 
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skatel80

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Nov 12, 2012
Just watched it now, That was a great event, adelina was great ! Caro K was lovely even with the fall and I never would have predicted Valentina in third. I cant wait to see the long, i hope eliaveta comes back all guns blazing! her jumps have such perfect technique!
 
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