2013 Worlds Ice Dance Short Dance SD

Skater Boy · Mar 15, 2013

Mrs. P said:
Woah, calm down! Seriously. I don't always see eye to eye with pangtongfan either, but it's totally unnecessary to ask her to "shove it." You wouldn't like someone saying that to you, would you?

Sorry for breaking my policy of commenting on the boards, but I don't like anyone being asked to "shove it." You can defend your favorite skater without directing attacks at other posters. God knows I do it all the time with my Shib Sibs.

Calm down folks; chilllax! This isn't the end of the world - close maybe lol. This board is great it allows for wonderful discussion, insight and debate. Admittedly itis a breath of resh air to have so many posters; though I think some people seem to just be asking for trouble - nevertheless discussion is great - fighting or arguing not so great.

I admit Chock and Bates are good. Not sure if they are better than Shibs imho and G and P I do believe are undermarked. So many good teams and so few spots on podium. I do believe G and P could move up in the FD as they have beaten Chock and Bates in the FD at 4cc's but it will be hard - psychologically especially in dance they skate so early so they might not get the credence if they skated closer to C and B (USA). They are so far behind but I do believe if judges are fair G and P could say place 8th in the FD. I feel bad for V and M; I hope they don't retire now. But they just maybe are worn out? I stil think they are good and I sitll believe or wish they would get credit for doign something so different in the FD. I have my biases as do others. But ice dancing now is so exciting. Russa might not have 3 teams in dance too they are just falling apart - men,women and I and K will have to make a move because expecting B and S to medal is a bit much. Nice to see W and P but what a nasty fight with C and L from Italy, P and B, B and S, Cand B the shibs and even I and K. it is like D and W and Vand m andthen all nhose teams fighting for one tiny bronze medal.

I think V and M will fall aprt in the free and this could be thier end - I hope not. I hope they come back next year and fight to the top healthy and all. D and W mus feel very confident; they have the gold in the bag. It would take a miracle for V and W or P and B or B and S to overtake them.

sky_fly20 · Mar 15, 2013

Skater Boy said:
I think V and M will fall aprt in the free and this could be thier end - I hope not. I hope they come back next year and fight to the top healthy and all. D and W mus feel very confident; they have the gold in the bag. It would take a miracle for V and W or P and B or B and S to overtake them.

their scores were already generous, and your right it would take an asteroid falling from V/M to win, though this time they can't fake a time out the FD, lmao
just sit back, relax Canada already has locks for 3 spots on all disciplines

vera01 · Mar 15, 2013

sky_fly20 said:
their scores were already generous, and your right it would take an asteroid falling from V/M to win, though this time they can't fake a time out the FD, lmao
just sit back, relax Canada already has locks for 3 spots on all disciplines

What do you mean, "all disciplines"? I doubt Canada would get three spots for ladies.

vera01 · Mar 15, 2013

Congratulations to D/W. Will they be able to set new WR again for FD and total score? :popcorn:

On the other hand, I don't think V/M is so lucky with their SD/FD this season. I hope they'll have better luck with Finnstep next season.

Jammers · Mar 15, 2013

All i can say is thank God for D&W. As an American considering how crappy our Pairs teams are right now and also no contenders in Men's and no medals in Ladies since 2006 this team keeps the US relevant at Worlds year after year after year. They are great role models and team leaders and also tough as can be competitors. :clap:

Ziggy · Mar 15, 2013

Ryan O said:
[Gilles/Poirer] are better than Chock & Bates and several of the others.

They are not better than Chock/Bates. Not anywhere near.

Chock has managed to mostly catch up to Bates by now but there's a still very big skill gap between Gilles and Poirer.

figuristka · Mar 15, 2013

Had to catch up on the short late

Too bad about the stumbles from Scott on the twizzles. They looked great in practice. Perhaps skating at home he got too excited or distracted. Shame i think they won't catch D/W in the Free. Even if they win Carmen. Hope they win the Free dance at least as i think its a masterpiece.

D/W were wonderful. So light and free when they skated. Twizzles amazing.Well deserved win. Wish people were not so hard on Meryl or Scott for comments made as sometimes its more the writer making it sound worse.

W/P loved them. I just adore the way they perform. I feel they bring their emotion to their performance. Gave me teary eyes at her reaction after the skate as she came back from that broken leg not long ago.

Also really love the Shibs, i would have had them over C/B , they are so smooth and have such great edge quality.

I actually like both Russian couples B/S and I/K, they both have great quality to their skating. B/S were better today though.

To me it seems like the London audience are very supportive to all skaters who draw them into the performance.

Not a huge fan of G/P yet as the quality of her skating is not smooth enough but really like their enthusiasm skating. She has a lightness to her like Meryl but not yet as strong.

figuristka · Mar 15, 2013

let`s talk said:
People in the rink said on Russian forums that the audience was very unsupportive. Some people even left and those who stayed demonstrated very petty attitude. B/S were like skating in the empty arena. More cheers to them for good showing in spite of all.

Pj Kwong now looks even more stupid when she accused the Japanese audience for hostile attitude to rivals.

Some stories from the rink are just anecdotes. One Canadian granny was shocked when the R-fans showed her the Russian flag. She thought it was French, she didn't know that the red flag of the USSR hasn't been in use since 1991. Lol. Not a huge surprise in fact considering that some their countrymen wrote on GS that there was a Russia-Canada war in 1812. That is probably indeed what they teach them at school.

The audience in general is a retirement village. Very few younger people, not as some Euros are accustomed to see at fs events.

Looks to me the audience is full when they skated but crowd wanting to leave right after as they were last to skate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH5OEWQeMJ0

Wondering Let's talk, who are your favourite Canadian skaters that you cheer for?

sky_fly20 · Mar 15, 2013

I think what let's talk meant was there was barely any cheers from them compared to the ovation that V/M and W/P had

ImaginaryPogue · Mar 15, 2013

let's talk, I said there was a War of 1812. Look it up. I'll even give you the link. I never said it had anything to do with Russia. Please don't put words in my mouth.

leafygreens · Mar 15, 2013

Ziggy said:
Actually forget what I said, looking at that judge's other scores, that 4.75 was probably a mistake. But nothing can be done about it. Once the scores are posted, they cannot be changed.

Re: Shibs, I thought a protest could be filed before the end of the event (the SD). Did their coaches not have access to and review the scores?

I don't understand why the Shibs keep getting worse placements as time goes on. I don't see anything wrong with their skating. Can someone explain?

Ziggy · Mar 15, 2013

leafygreens said:
Re: Shibs, I thought a protest could be filed before the end of the event (the SD). Did their coaches not have access to and review the scores?

The coaches get the full protocols after the event is over.

leafygreens · Mar 15, 2013

Ziggy said:
The coaches get the full protocols after the event is over.

So a protest can't be filed then. Well that's not fair.

dorispulaski · Mar 15, 2013

I haven't looked at the recent general rules, but I believe it is the technical levels that can be challenged, not the judges scores. They are dealt with by dropping the lowest and highest score already.

Mathman · Mar 15, 2013

let`s talk said:
Not a huge surprise in fact considering that some their countrymen wrote on GS that there was a Russia-Canada war in 1812. That is probably indeed what they teach them at school.

They probably meant the Canadian invasion of Russia in 1918, when, according to this recent book, the ruling elite of Canada, supported by the bourgeoisie, sent an expedition from Victoria to Vladivostok to overthrow the peoples' new government. Fortunately, the working class in Canada rebelled against this imperialistic war-mongering and forced the Canadian government to retreat.

http://www.wsws.org/en/media/photos/legacy/2012jun/j30-hist-book-250.jpg

On the other hand, in the actual "War of 1812" (the U.S.- British one, not Napoleon's adventures in Russia

). one of the issues was that the United States wanted to annex Canada. It backfired and we had to cede Detroit to Canada (but we got it back the next year). I'm not sure which side Meryl Davis' ancestor fought on.

Mrs. P · Mar 15, 2013

leafygreens said:
Re: Shibs, I thought a protest could be filed before the end of the event (the SD). Did their coaches not have access to and review the scores?

I don't understand why the Shibs keep getting worse placements as time goes on. I don't see anything wrong with their skating. Can someone explain?

I don't think it's all on them but rather all their competitors are performing at a higher level. They were close to a personal best yesterday and was still 8th. (In 2011 they were 4th with nearly the same score).

I do think that the judges do not care for their SD as it's been scoring low all season though judges seem to like the execution of it. Their PCS is where they are in a world of hurt.

Their FD has been better received and the scores between 5th and 9th are pretty close so they could move up.

In the end, I don't think the 4.75 error affected things that much given, as Doris points out, the lowest scores are thrown out anyway.

chuckm · Mar 15, 2013

Ryan O said:
Disappointed that Gilles & Poirier finished in 15th. They deserved higher than that. They skated a clean program and were better than a number of the teams that placed ahead of them. Seems like they were penalized because they skated early in the night and because they hadn't been at the Worlds as a team before.

I'm hoping they can move up in the Free Dance the way they have at other events this season.

They were appropriately marked. The difference between Poirier's and Gilles' skating skills is a yawning gulf, and it is very obvious. Skate Canada has been scoring G/P based on PAUL's skills, but ISU judges see them as a not-so-equal pairing. They may move up some after the FD, but top 10 is not likely.

let`s talk · Mar 15, 2013

figuristka said:
Wondering Let's talk, who are your favourite Canadian skaters that you cheer for?

I like watching Kurt in shows. I wrote more than once why, so I won't bother to repeat. Yet I don't like when he spells "Kazuka" in his twitter. Stojko contributed a lot in Men's fs and he doesn't seem like a jerk. Among currently competing ones Tran, Kevin, Rogozine seem like normal nice people, not some bad mouthing arrogant divas (I am sure you know who I mean). But I can't say I am much in love with their skating though.

jan · Mar 15, 2013

Good review and my thoughts as well. I like how you did not put anyone down in your comments. Very refreshing!

figuristka said:
Had to catch up on the short late

Too bad about the stumbles from Scott on the twizzles. They looked great in practice. Perhaps skating at home he got too excited or distracted. Shame i think they won't catch D/W in the Free. Even if they win Carmen. Hope they win the Free dance at least as i think its a masterpiece.

D/W were wonderful. So light and free when they skated. Twizzles amazing.Well deserved win. Wish people were not so hard on Meryl or Scott for comments made as sometimes its more the writer making it sound worse.

W/P loved them. I just adore the way they perform. I feel they bring their emotion to their performance. Gave me teary eyes at her reaction after the skate as she came back from that broken leg not long ago.

Also really love the Shibs, i would have had them over C/B , they are so smooth and have such great edge quality.

I actually like both Russian couples B/S and I/K, they both have great quality to their skating. B/S were better today though.

To me it seems like the London audience are very supportive to all skaters who draw them into the performance.

Not a huge fan of G/P yet as the quality of her skating is not smooth enough but really like their enthusiasm skating. She has a lightness to her like Meryl but not yet as strong.

let`s talk · Mar 15, 2013

ImaginaryPogue said:
let's talk, I said there was a War of 1812. Look it up. I'll even give you the link. I never said it had anything to do with Russia. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't put anything in your mouth. Don't lie. You yourself called me "the most relentlessly anti-Canadian xenophobe since the War of 1812" in Men SP thread. And your only reason was this ^? Jeez.. What does a present Russian resident of Japan have to do with some Anglo-American war conflict of 1812? :laugh:

I am more than sure I am innocent. I am also sure that there wasn't such a thing as "anti-Canadian xenophobe in 1812" simply because there was no subjcet of law called "Canada" in 1812. Canada was just a geography. If they write it differently in your school books, then don't study those trash books.

Mathman said:
They probably meant the Canadian invasion of Russia in 1918, when, according to this recent book, the ruling elite of Canada, supported by the bourgeoisie, sent an expedition from Victoria to Vladivostok to overthrow the peoples' new government. Fortunately, the working class in Canada rebelled against this imperialistic war-mongering and forced the Canadian government to retreat.
http://www.wsws.org/en/media/photos/legacy/2012jun/j30-hist-book-250.jpg

"They" is ImaginaryPogue and she already explained what she meant- 1812, not 1918.

"The Canadian invasion of Russia"? Is it how they call it in their textbooks? Charming! Really effective way to feel better about themselves by saying "we invaded Russia!" The total Siberian Allied intervention was indeed rather big military march in R-land's depths where Japanese held the hugest majority of allied troops (73K), followed by the US (about 8K, i.e. ten times less than J-forces). Everyone wanted the piece of cake thinking that bolsheviks won't survive for long and the government-less land will be an easy treat. The rest you know.

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