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Someone tried to defend the IJS on another site by giving the explanation that 1.) Gold would never have been able to be as high at US Nationals as she was under 6.0, having bombed the long, and 2.) 6.0 was too easy to manipulate: I thought it might be an interesting discussion here..
Well, lets judge 2013 US Champs under 6.0 (using the placement results)
Wagner SP:1 LP:2 TFP:2.5
Gold SP:9 LP:1 TFP:5.5
Agnes SP:2 LP:7 TFP:8
Hicks SP:4 LP:3 TFP:5
Gao SP:5 LP:4 TFP:6.5
Siraj SP:6 LP:5 TFP:8
So the results from 2013 US Ladies in 6.0:
1. Wagner
2. Hicks
3. Gold
4. Gao
5. Agnes
6. Siraj
So, she actually COULD have gotten on the podium from 9th because the free was a hot mess.
Also, your point about 6.0 being easy to manipulate, there for IJS is better, is the wrong point of view. BECAUSE 6.0 was easy to understand, the manipulation of scores was much easier to see by the casual fan/everyone, and judges could more easily be called out on their shenanigans.
The complexity of IJS lends itself to judge manipulation MUCH more, because:
A) The judges have many more places to add and subtract points to get the results they want and
B) when all is said and done, they can throw their points system under the bus to deflect from the "cheating" pressure, by saying that "how could they cheat, the code is too complex to actually cheat" when they know that system backward and forwards and KNOW how to manipulate it to get the desired result.
You're trying to defend IJS is missing the point. 6.0 wasn't the problem. The problem was and still is corrupt judging. Instead of hitting the cancer (judges), the ISU just treated the symptoms (6.0) and never really solved the actual problem. It's really a case of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." THE JUDGES ARE THE PROBLEM. Under 6.0, Chan wouldn't have won, by virtue of losing the free to Ten who was just behind him in the SP. If Chan had won in under 6.0, everyone could have seen the blatant cheating and there would have been a MUCH bigger outcry than the already large outcry we see now.
It is time to pronounce judgment in IJS: It is a wholly FAILED experiment. Not only has it driven people away from the sport with numbers that don't mean much of anything to anyone besides diehards and those in the figure skating community, but the complexity that was supposed to help make judging skating "fairer" has done nothing of the sort. It really has helped out only one of the disciplines: Dance. Which was the main culprit of the cheating in the first place (Pairs being a close second).
Figure Skaters, Fans, Bloggers, and everyone else who cares about this sport needs to stand up now, and demand their federations put pressure on the ISU to put 6.0 back, and come up with REAL reforms for judges! IJS has GOT TO GO! I JUST WANT MY FAVORITE SPORT BACK!
Well, lets judge 2013 US Champs under 6.0 (using the placement results)
Wagner SP:1 LP:2 TFP:2.5
Gold SP:9 LP:1 TFP:5.5
Agnes SP:2 LP:7 TFP:8
Hicks SP:4 LP:3 TFP:5
Gao SP:5 LP:4 TFP:6.5
Siraj SP:6 LP:5 TFP:8
So the results from 2013 US Ladies in 6.0:
1. Wagner
2. Hicks
3. Gold
4. Gao
5. Agnes
6. Siraj
So, she actually COULD have gotten on the podium from 9th because the free was a hot mess.
Also, your point about 6.0 being easy to manipulate, there for IJS is better, is the wrong point of view. BECAUSE 6.0 was easy to understand, the manipulation of scores was much easier to see by the casual fan/everyone, and judges could more easily be called out on their shenanigans.
The complexity of IJS lends itself to judge manipulation MUCH more, because:
A) The judges have many more places to add and subtract points to get the results they want and
B) when all is said and done, they can throw their points system under the bus to deflect from the "cheating" pressure, by saying that "how could they cheat, the code is too complex to actually cheat" when they know that system backward and forwards and KNOW how to manipulate it to get the desired result.
You're trying to defend IJS is missing the point. 6.0 wasn't the problem. The problem was and still is corrupt judging. Instead of hitting the cancer (judges), the ISU just treated the symptoms (6.0) and never really solved the actual problem. It's really a case of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." THE JUDGES ARE THE PROBLEM. Under 6.0, Chan wouldn't have won, by virtue of losing the free to Ten who was just behind him in the SP. If Chan had won in under 6.0, everyone could have seen the blatant cheating and there would have been a MUCH bigger outcry than the already large outcry we see now.
It is time to pronounce judgment in IJS: It is a wholly FAILED experiment. Not only has it driven people away from the sport with numbers that don't mean much of anything to anyone besides diehards and those in the figure skating community, but the complexity that was supposed to help make judging skating "fairer" has done nothing of the sort. It really has helped out only one of the disciplines: Dance. Which was the main culprit of the cheating in the first place (Pairs being a close second).
Figure Skaters, Fans, Bloggers, and everyone else who cares about this sport needs to stand up now, and demand their federations put pressure on the ISU to put 6.0 back, and come up with REAL reforms for judges! IJS has GOT TO GO! I JUST WANT MY FAVORITE SPORT BACK!