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Petition protesting the men's result at the 2013 WC sent to officials

Aprilsnowy

Rinkside
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Exactly , I am curious how many of the figure skating fans actually know and understand the sport and the scoring system . I know many of these fans do not know the rules , a good example is the repeating of the same triple jumps (Joubert) and how this negatively affects the score . Edges and entries and exits mean so much to this sport and most fans just don't get it . As for Patrick I was at the worlds and his short program saved his butt ,it was exceptional ! The free skate was not a great night of skating for almost all of the skaters and this is where the skating skills and intricate choreography played a role in Patrick Chan's win , his skills are just in a different class and no one deny that !! It takes 2 programs to determine the medals people ! I am so tired of listening to the whiners !!! This is fuel for Sochi for Patrick so I am happy for this !!!

ITA!!
:clap:
 

blue_idealist

Record Breaker
Joined
Feb 25, 2006
Is it too late for them to change the results now? They can't exactly take Patrick's gold medal away (I guess), but I suppose they might give Denis Ten another gold medal, if they do anything..
 

skates_lively

Rinkside
Joined
Feb 10, 2013
Exactly , I am curious how many of the figure skating fans actually know and understand the sport and the scoring system . I know many of these fans do not know the rules , a good example is the repeating of the same triple jumps (Joubert) and how this negatively affects the score . Edges and entries and exits mean so much to this sport and most fans just don't get it . As for Patrick I was at the worlds and his short program saved his butt ,it was exceptional ! The free skate was not a great night of skating for almost all of the skaters and this is where the skating skills and intricate choreography played a role in Patrick Chan's win , his skills are just in a different class and no one deny that !! It takes 2 programs to determine the medals people ! I am so tired of listening to the whiners !!! This is fuel for Sochi for Patrick so I am happy for this !!!

:agree:
 

ffionhanathomas

On the Ice
Joined
Mar 12, 2013
Personally, I think the ISU need to focus on getting things right for Sochi and other upcoming events this season instead of dwelling on past errors. Another thing is that I really feel sorry for Patrick. Some people seem to forget that it's not his fault it's the judges, so it shouldn't all be taken out on him - since some people really have been so cruel about him.

Let's hope all judging becomes somewhat perfect by Sochi!
 

pangtongfan

Match Penalty
Joined
Jun 16, 2010
Patrick was overscored in every area in both his SP (lesser degree) and LP (HUGE HUGE HUGE degree) at Worlds. Jump GOE, spin GOE, performance, interpretation, choreography and transtiions in the LP. His overall competition score should have probably been a good 25 points lower than it was.
 

waterblades

On the Ice
Joined
Feb 7, 2013
Exactly , I am curious how many of the figure skating fans actually know and understand the sport and the scoring system . I know many of these fans do not know the rules , a good example is the repeating of the same triple jumps (Joubert) and how this negatively affects the score . Edges and entries and exits mean so much to this sport and most fans just don't get it . As for Patrick I was at the worlds and his short program saved his butt ,it was exceptional ! The free skate was not a great night of skating for almost all of the skaters and this is where the skating skills and intricate choreography played a role in Patrick Chan's win , his skills are just in a different class and no one deny that !! It takes 2 programs to determine the medals people ! I am so tired of listening to the whiners !!! This is fuel for Sochi for Patrick so I am happy for this !!!

Thanks you! I agree 100%. I was there as well. I am not a Patrick fan and I was blown away buy his short program it was amazing.
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
I think haters will consider Patrick to be overscored regardless of how he skates. This petition will be inconsequential and people just need to get over it.
 

demarinis5

Gold for the Winter Prince!
Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 23, 2004
Is it too late for them to change the results now? They can't exactly take Patrick's gold medal away (I guess), but I suppose they might give Denis Ten another gold medal, if they do anything..

I don't really think a second Gold Medal for Denis should be an option at all. Unlike SLC there was
no blatant cheating going on.

Do I think the current system needs to be seriously tweaked, yes I do.
 

Rachmaninoff

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 10, 2011
I don't really think a second Gold Medal for Denis should be an option at all. Unlike SLC there was
no blatant cheating going on.

Do I think the current system needs to be seriously tweaked, yes I do.

Pretty much this.

I do think the results were arguably perfectly fair under the current system. I also think that's a problem.

I'm even questioning whether some sort of big, high-profile controversy at the 2014 Olympic games would be a good thing. Maybe not Patrick Chan winning with a mistake-filled program once again (I feel bad for him as it is), but someone of the other disciplines having a totally lights-out performance that brings the audience to its feet and loses to a flawed program. Maybe that's what's needed to force the powers that be to freaking pay attention.
 

karne

in Emergency Backup Mode
Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 1, 2013
Country
Australia
Exactly , I am curious how many of the figure skating fans actually know and understand the sport and the scoring system . I know many of these fans do not know the rules , a good example is the repeating of the same triple jumps (Joubert) and how this negatively affects the score . Edges and entries and exits mean so much to this sport and most fans just don't get it . As for Patrick I was at the worlds and his short program saved his butt ,it was exceptional ! The free skate was not a great night of skating for almost all of the skaters and this is where the skating skills and intricate choreography played a role in Patrick Chan's win , his skills are just in a different class and no one deny that !! It takes 2 programs to determine the medals people ! I am so tired of listening to the whiners !!! This is fuel for Sochi for Patrick so I am happy for this !!!

And posts like this are exactly the problem and why even the name "Patrick Chan" can prove to be so antagonistic.

Maybe some of us are sick of the Chan fans' immediate response to any "inflation" calls is: "You're just too stupid to understand!"

Kiddo, I spent all day yesterday sitting on one end of a technical panel listening to the specialists and controllers talk. I KNOW THE SYSTEM. And it's STILL wrong.
 

venlac

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 22, 2012
I do think the results were arguably perfectly fair under the current system. I also think that's a problem.

Exactly , I am curious how many of the figure skating fans actually know and understand the sport and the scoring system . I know many of these fans do not know the rules , a good example is the repeating of the same triple jumps (Joubert) and how this negatively affects the score . Edges and entries and exits mean so much to this sport and most fans just don't get it . As for Patrick I was at the worlds and his short program saved his butt ,it was exceptional ! The free skate was not a great night of skating for almost all of the skaters and this is where the skating skills and intricate choreography played a role in Patrick Chan's win , his skills are just in a different class and no one deny that !! It takes 2 programs to determine the medals people ! I am so tired of listening to the whiners !!! This is fuel for Sochi for Patrick so I am happy for this !!!

if that result was just according to the system, why so many skaters who understand rules completely protested about that result, rather than defend him??
 

spikydurian

Medalist
Joined
Jan 15, 2012
And posts like this are exactly the problem and why even the name "Patrick Chan" can prove to be so antagonistic.
Ask yourself karne? If you can post what you think is incorrect in your opinion, why can't others post what they think is incorrect in their opinions?

Maybe some of us are sick of the Chan fans' immediate response to any "inflation" calls is: "You're just too stupid to understand!"
If you choose not to see or understand, that's your prerogative. Similarly, it's another prerogative not to 'see your point of view too'. You too have responded to criticisms on your favourites, haven't you?

Kiddo, I spent all day yesterday sitting on one end of a technical panel listening to the specialists and controllers talk. I KNOW THE SYSTEM. And it's STILL wrong.
If you feel so strongly about the system being wrong, put your opinions to your skating federation. Don't just criticize. Give suggestions on how the system can be improved. This will work better than 'screaming and tearing your hairs off' when results don't match 'what you see and want'.
 

karne

in Emergency Backup Mode
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Country
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Ask yourself karne? If you can post what you think is incorrect in your opinion, why can't others post what they think is incorrect in their opinions?

Never said they couldn't. But it doesn't make their argument any stronger when they're just putting their hands over their ears and going, "Nah-uh, you're just all too stupid to understand how our perfect skater can win!"

If you choose not to see or understand, that's your prerogative. Similarly, it's another prerogative not to 'see your point of view too'. You too have responded to criticisms on your favourites, haven't you?

You're missing the point. Plenty of detractors of Chan's wins DO UNDERSTAND. We're just being told we're too stupid to understand why he does. And I'd never call anyone stupid for saying why they thought Josh shouldn't have won Junior Worlds, for example. We could have a discussion about it. I can see why some might think he shouldn't. These discussions seem impossible to have with Chan fans. (See above: someone posts examples of how Chan's SP WASN'T perfect, Chan fans immediately saying that people are too stupid to understand.)

If you feel so strongly about the system being wrong, put your opinions to your skating federation. Don't just criticize. Give suggestions on how the system can be improved. This will work better than 'screaming and tearing your hairs off' when results don't match 'what you see and want'.

Oh yes, we all know that works wonders. :rolleye: Particularly in a federation where we have the international voting power of a pea.
 

spikydurian

Medalist
Joined
Jan 15, 2012
Never said they couldn't. But it doesn't make their argument any stronger when they're just putting their hands over their ears and going, "Nah-uh, you're just all too stupid to understand how our perfect skater can win!"
Did pharmtech1 call Chan's detractors STUPID?

Oh yes, we all know that works wonders. :rolleye: Particularly in a federation where we have the international voting power of a pea.
Voting of power of a PEA is better than NOTHING.;) And many peas may increase the size to a kiwifruit. :biggrin:
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
I don't think anyone is calling detractors stupid for having an opinion of the results. I personally disagree with the results, but I understand the results, and the results can - to an extent - be justified. Like Michaela Maroney's falling on the vault, she won a silver medal over vaulters who didn't commit such a grievous error. When you look at the value of her first vault, you understand why she still came 2nd, but then people question the sport being like "Well, if you have 2 vaults and fall on one of them how does that get you 2nd, no matter how good the first one is?" I think the system has its flaws, but a lot of detractors aren't considering the value of what Chan did correctly and focusing only on his errors (and also not considering the errors Ten made his visually clean but technically imperfect FS). When you do the math, it makes sense. IMO, both Chan and Ten were overscored on their PCS in the SP. And in the FS, while Ten had a cleaner skate, he only had one quad and turned two triples to doubles, plus Chan executed 2 quads on top of that.

Ten handily won the FS, and people are just complaining that he didn't win it by enough to win overall.
 

mskater93

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 22, 2005
I think more people are saying that the differential in the SP shouldn't have been as big as it was to NOT enable Ten to win by winning the LP and by as large a margin as he did. That's what I read from Karne and someone else who suggested that the GOE received by Chan in the SP was too much. BoP mentioned the 3A as an example of an area that Chan got what he felt was undeserved GOE (Chan got +2, BoP thinks the jump satisfied only 1 bullet and so should have been scored a 0 and mentioned that the 4T+3T in his opinion should have gotten a +1, not +2 and +3) and the reasons why BoP and another poster felt that way were enumerated in their post.
 
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