The decision that boiled your blood
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Btw, I just wanted to clarify, I meant yes I agree with that poster, not yes that Kovtun should have been sent. I was a supporter of Menshov.
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Uh oh, I don't think Yuna has perfect spins and spirals, either. Guess that means I've been a Yuna-hater all along. Who knew!? When can I expect the pitchforks and to be burned at the stake?
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Both Farris and Kovtun have two Senior GP assignments this season. I will be interested to see who does better. And I'd be willing to bet it won't be Menshov.
ITA re the 2002 Pairs result. Here's one for the Yuna fans: Yu Na's LP placing first over Mao's at the 2010 WC.
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The jumps were never everything.
And Yagudin skated perfectly at 2002 Worlds. There was absolutely no way he should have lost.
Yuna's GOE from her triple triple and flip covered her 3S, and her GOE from 3Lz and 2A+3T covered her mistake in 2A. Of course Mao had a better run comparing side by side, but I don't think it was worthy of 150+ or even 140+ program. She underrotated her 3A combo which is pretty costly considering that's what Mao wanted to gain points from.
Now before you comment on how Yuna gets ridiculous amount of GOE, PCS queen, other blah blah blahs, think about this.
Should a skater like Mao automatically receive +3's or +2's on her 3A because she's the only one who can execute them? No. There are guide lines that tells if a certain jump deserves a positive GOE. If Mao wants to gain +3s on her 3A, she should follow the guide lines. (maybe an ina bauer to 3A
) I personally think Yuna's scores were fair and so were Mao's. A well executed jumps should definitely scored higher than poorly, but fully rotated jumps. And in this case, 3t+3lz vs 3A.
I haven't read through the whole thread, but just in case this wasn't commented on---the problem is that there's a rule that says you cannot finish the program laying on the ice. Their fall forced this to happen, as they went down just as the music ended. It made for a mandatory deduction. Heartbreaking, IMO, yes, but that was why.
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My memory can be sketchy... but wasn't the fall on a lift at the very end of the program? I think I recall they fell on the exit of the lift, and the program ended almost immediately thereafter... so they fell on the element AND ended the program on the ice... a double-whammy.
Maybe I'm just not remembering correctly...
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You mean Kovtun? You had another post where Menshov's name suddenly popped up, when I think you meant Kovtun. I'm not asking to be mean, or nitpicky - only it can get a bit confusing at times!
Oh, this is interesting point. I get your point but under current judging system, as you already know very well, half the PCS is really tech score (skating skills, transitions) which is correlated to (in broaden sense) GOE marks, or even base value. i.e. if you have more transitions going into jumps than you may get higher GOE etc, or if you don't have superior S/S and miss control the chances are you may make mistakes at some point-> lower BV.
Therefore, IMO, if judging was fair under current judging system, then TES and PCS gap should not be too big. (For lady's LP, if the gap is more than 10+, I check the protocol right away.) Of course PCS can still reflect superior choreo etc, but it is only 1/5 of total PCS. And IMO, P/E should get punished if a skater makes multiple mistakes.
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I don't agree if it was 2002 Worlds. 2002 Worlds was right after the Olympics which Alexei won and his World programs were electric.
Alexei's 2002 World's SP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyjX2N18EF8
Alexei's 2002 World's LP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uutt5Hszqhc
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Yes, he was perfect, and the victory was unquestioned!!!!!
His victory in the 2002 European Championships, that was unfair! Abt was the real winner.
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Yeah, it was on the end of a lift, as another poster pointed out to me. I now remember the lift, when he sort of swung her around.
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The problem with sanctimonious posters like you is that they inevitably show their bias because they will criticize the responders and never the instigators particularly when the instigators happen to be *gasp* fans of the same skaters favoured by said finger-waggers.
You know what's childish? (and IMO, also creepy and bizarre)--bringing up a completely different discussion that happened months ago and quoting almost verbatim my post. I will also point out how you refer to the poster as a mere "poster" and not a Mao fan making that ridiculous comparison to begin with. The entire point of my comment was that instead of nitpicking YuNa's flip, perhaps they should critique the weaknesses of their own favourite first. But like I said, your bias is blatantly showing.
And it's true that both YuNa and Kanako have triple flips that have good height. Heaven forbid I make a positive comparison instead of letting the comment alone with the negative slant regarding YuNa's phantom hammertoe that has only ever circulated around rabid Maobot circles.
It wasn't a comment that was merely "not-positive", it was delusional. Yeah, no kidding. But of course it's the person who answers who is criticized, and the instigator is left completely alone.
*cough* Miki Ando *cough*
As much as I love me some Carolina Kostner and can accept her being comparable to Katia Gordeeva, there is NO WAY she comes anywhere near PChan. He is an absolute wizard with his blades.
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You mean Kovtun? You had another post where Menshov's name suddenly popped up, when I think you meant Kovtun. I'm not asking to be mean, or nitpicky - only it can get a bit confusing at times!
*facepalm*
Of course, of course. Menshov only got one assignment, lucky folks at Skate America. Kovtun and Farris both got two and it will be my guess that Farris will do better. We will even see them head-to-head I think - Farris got CoR, didn't Kovtun, too?
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Clever, but maybe I meant Kostner, lol. Seriouly, the Kimflation at Olys and 2013 worlds is mindboggling. Deserved wins but the point spread in Vancouver was crazy I thought. And Krislite is right as Caro, Mao and other WC's get help up to. How I wish for more fair scoring, esp Akiko.
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I have never made up my mind. Both were extraordinary, but Lyra was so special. Kwan didn't miss a thing. Tara was a true phenom. All 3 were stunning in Nagano, what a podium that was.
They will face off there! Unlike kovtun Farris wasn't pushed into a bunch of events he did nothing to earn his way to! The Russian fed was just all "let's just all collectively lose our minds because of a jrgpf win!" I just hope kovtun being giving a bunch of events he did nothing to deserve has harmed training or made him lazy! He did 3 months of total coasting after he showed POTENTIAL to do well in seniors during the JRGP! Not "he is all ready let's all act there's no difference between Jrs and srs!" so he does know medal winning and success in Jrs so he must be horrified at how he performed no matter what the Russian fed is saying how worlds was a great triumph because he got his name out there!
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