Men's Short - Notes & Results

I'm getting this posted as quick as I can so I'm not adding any extra comments right now. Once I get some dinner (haven't eaten since this morning) and back to my hotel, I'll add some additional comments & thoughts about the results.

JPN Daisuke Takahashl Start 1 Place 9
Notes black with hot pink on top with black lattice effect down arms / Mission Impossible 2 / 3f3t bit tight on toe but clean / 3a fell / flycam has great spped & extension / playing withmusic now - really presenting into O ftwrk which is very good & with music / ftwrk 3z / sit ch sit is fast & centered pos could be bit lower / strt ftwrk with build up at boards first & stop in middle / combo spin to end is excellent fast good pos you name it

JPN Takeshi Honda Start 2 Place 0
Notes withdrew after warm-up due to injury

MEX Miguel Angel Moyron Start 3 Place 21
Notes prince of Egypt soundtrack / Purple sheer onto with gold chevron design / 3f2t flip was 2ft but he got around on it / 3t was 2ft again but roto / flycam slow with ok pos / O ftwrk all turned one way but had good speed / sit ch sit - didn't really see it /2a / strtftwrk tripped on toe pick 2/3 through it fell on

CAN Ben Ferreira Start 4 Place 10
Notes navy blue high waist pants blue shirt with red & yellow / 4t fell / 3a step out almost looked like it was too high / cam ch cam has excellent pos bit slow on back end / O ftwrk is very good & with music / ftwrk 3z / combo spin is very good / strt ftwrk moves & is good / butterfly back sit with good pos /

USA Ryan Bradley Start 5 Place 11
Notes white tux shirt black bow tie black pants / New York, New York / big 1a / had done 2 really nice 3a in warmup / 3z fell was to be part of combo /combo spin is good / O ftwrk goes really well with music / ftwrk 3f / cam ch cam is good / strt ftwrk really plays to the music very Fred Astaire style / butterflies to cam is very nice - looks great /

MEX Adrian Alvarado Start 6 Place 20
Notes royal blue velvet on top grey pants / music is Cielo Andualuz - bullfight style / 3s2t sal landed ontoe and toe was a toe axel but it was one of the better efforts I've seen from him / trav 3's into loop stumbled out / I missed a spin / O ftwrk turned all the same way but had good speed & flow / 2a under rot hopped out of it but stood up / fly sit is ok / strt ftwrk needs more detail / combo spin to end is not bad at all - he has a nice cmel pos

RSA Justin Pietersen Start 7 Place 18
Notes black / Carlos of the Mettallica / 3s fell out turn 2t / 3t fell / flysit got slow but was aceptable / 2a / spiral seq is quite alright / strt seq moves well / sit ch sit is quite good / combo spin is centered good pos /

RSA Konrad Giering Start 8 Place 22
Notes black wit bit of gold design on one shoulder / black hawk down / cam ch cam is very nice on front & ok on back / 3l stumbled out 2t hopped out / diag ftwrk suited change in music - he's really quite musical / 2a had it then fell / combo spin has some very nice pos / O ftwrk seems to lack something / flysit is ok - maybe short revs / ftwrk 2f /

AUS Daniel Harries Start 9 Place 16
Notes royal blue on top with silver navy pants / Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack / 3z fell got up 2t / 3f fell / great flying sit - real fly & low sit / O ftwrk is ok all turns same way / sit ch sit is very good & centered / strt ftwrk doesn't have much detail - moves fast though / 2a pitched a bit forward but hung on / combo spin to end is quite good with nice pos /

CHN Song Gao Start 10 Place 8
Notes light grey shirt with scattered sprakles black pants / Angelique by magne / 4t fell / 3a landed on super low bent leg but kept it clean / strt ftwrk is really nice & lyrical / combo spin is good / ftwrk 3z / cam ch cam is very nice with pos variations / O ftwrk has a lot of continuous 1foot wrk at start / death drop back sit is very good low pos & fast /

CAN Jeffrey Buttle Start 11 Place 1
Notes yellow shirt under grey vest & pants / Take Five / 4t fell / flysit with great pos / strt ftwrk is fast with lots on one foot / ftwrk 3z fought a bit for it / cam ch cam goes on forever with fantastic pos / he's really performing this program - he wants it / O ftwrk is very good / combo spin we've all seen it - it's great /

NZL Tristan Thode Start 12 Place 15
Notes white shirt with vest & pants / music is The Blues / sit ch sit is excellent / 3f althoughcheat sheet says different / 3t2t / O ftwrk is very good with music but slow / 2a / combo spin cam sitcam back sit leg in front - rotation is slow but good pos / strt ftwrk - he's speeded up now / flycam has good fly & pos got very slow / possibly over by 1 or 2 seconds finished spin after

AUS Stuart Beckingham Start 13 Place 14
Notes black shirt & pants - Santana medley / 2l was meant to be 3 but takeoff wasn't right / lovely can ch cam with nice stretch and excellent speed / strt ftwrk is good - fast / 2a looked a bit wonky in air but he landed it clean / O ftwrk is ok / 3t2t / flying cam is just great high fly and good speed & extension / combo spin is very nice / he skated that program probably about the best he could - never did see him land a 3l in practice

CHN Xiaodong Ma Start 14 Place 6
Notes black with gold design down one side / World Cup Symphony / 4t fell / 3a is lovely / combo spin has great speed & pos / ftwrk 3z / flycam is great layover to inside edge with great extension / sit ch sit has good speed & centereding but pos could be lower / morozov style footwrk using whole body with stop in middle

AUS Bradley Santer Start 15 Place 13
Notes light orange shirt with borwn vest / 3z fell out hand down turns turns 1t / ftwrk 3f / butterfly back sit is very good / O ftwrk goes with music turns all seem to go the same way / 2a / sit ch sit good speed pos could be lower / S ftwrk is very good ties realy well to music - looks like he's having fun with the program now / something weird happened going into the combo spin not quite sure what he did manage to complete it /

USA Evan Lysacek Start 16 Place 4
Notes spanish with gold braid / 3a / 3z turns 2t / death drop is great / O frtwrkis detailed & with music / this program is a really good one for him - think it's the same as Jr Worlds last year and I loved it then / ftwrk 3f / sit ch sit is great low fast / strt ftwrk is morozov style & Evan carries it off very well with the right kind of attitude / combo spin to end is excellent

MEX Humberto Contreras Start 17 Place 19
Notes hit a wrong key and missed the 1st part of his pgm gettign back into application - here's what I did get / 3 s turnout / 3l stumbled out of it under rot / 2a was good / sit ch sit was fast & low

CAN Emanuel Sandhu Start 18 Place 3
Notes red & black shirt black pants / Carlo Saura's Tango by Schifrin / 4t big huge pop / 3a is very good / flysit is excellent - fast low / ftwrk 3z / O ftwrk is wonderful / as is the3 cam ch cam / strt ftwrk here we go / & the crowd is clapping his twizzlesare better than most dancers / combo spin cam sit butt back cam is a bit slow back sit to leg in front /

RSA Gareth Echardt Start 19 Place 17
Notes white shirt black suspenders & bow tie / King of Swing / 3t2t / strt ftwrk moved really well bit simple / 2a / flycam is good but sort revs / ftwrk to huge popped lutz / sit ch sit is ok / looked like a bit of trip in O ftwrk near start / combo spin got very slow

KOR Dong-Whun Lee Start 20 Place 12
Notes white shirt with blue tie with sparkles navy blue pants / Green Onions Harlem Nocturne / 3z fell out turn 2t / ftwrk 3f / flycam was quite good nice pos / into the bluesy music now & his O ftwrk moves welll with it / 2a was nice & easy / sit ch sit has good pos & excellent speed / strt ftwrk needs more detail - moved well though / combo spin is good /

JPN Yamato Tamura Start 21 Place 2
Notes greig Piano Concerto same music as Emanuel a couple of years ago / 4t held on 3t super tight but fought to stay on 1 foot he & the crowd were very happy / ftwrk 3z / sit ch sit is very good / 2a planned to do 3 but I think he was playing it safe / combospin / S ftwrk is very good / death drop is great / diag ftwrk is dynamic / Everyone is just thrilled includingg all the Japanese coaches & teammates /

CHN Lun Song Start 22 Place 7
Notes black with lots of gold / spiderman soundtrack / 4t hung on 1t yes only a single / 3a / death drop had great fly & spin is fast pos could be lower / O ftwrk has lots of one foot work but is missing something - just doesn't feel powerful / sit ch sit isok / 3z pitched way forward but stayed clean / strt ftwrk again has lots of one foot work bit on slow side / combo spin had good

USA Ryan Jahnke Start 23 Place 5
Notes black with white collar / Prelude No 20 by chopin; The planets / 3a tilted in air landed with 3turns after / 3z2t - felt like pick didn't go in right on lutz / strt steps are very expressive & detailled / cam ch acam is just gorgeous / ftwrk right into 3f / combo spin is excellent fast & great pos / O ftwrk is lovely - expresses music so well / death drop is great is neat pos /

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thanks for your great reports!

dongwhun, do your best!!

Rosaleen said:

USA Ryan Bradley Start 5 Place 11
Notes white tux shirt black bow tie black pants / New York, New York / big 1a / had done 2 really nice 3a in warmup / 3z fell was to be part of combo /combo spin is good / O ftwrk goes really well with music / ftwrk 3f / cam ch cam is good / strt ftwrk really plays to the music very Fred Astaire style / butterflies to cam is very nice - looks great[/B]

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Thanks once again for your excellent reports Rosaleen,

The aforementioned gentleman is the only one I'm interested in.......too bad about the SP ........keeping my fingers crossed for him in the FS.

Peace & Love, Nadine

GOOOOOOOOOO RYAN!!!

Rosaleen, I just wanted to add my thanks for your continued reports on these events. You did an excellent job covering the Canadian Nationals, and are continuing to do the same for 4Cs. Much appreciated!!

Pictures...
Jeffrey BUTTLE
LOL
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040123/ids_photos_sp/r894240914.jpg

Yamato TAMURA
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040123/ids_photos_sp/r2658188552.jpg

Emanuel SANDHU
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040123/ids_photos_sp/r909484124.jpg

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040123/ids_photos_sp/r802025336.jpg

Evan LYSACEK
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040123/483/xpch12201230140

The pics of Emmanuel are hilarious too - especially the second one.

Correction to Evan Lysacek -- his combo was a 3z turns 3t not a 2t.

Apparently, his presentation marks and anoynomous judging saved him.

1 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 0.5
4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 5.1 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.2 5.2 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.4
5.4 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.9 5.9

2 Yamato TAMURA JPN 1.0
5.1 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.3 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7
5.2 5.2 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.7 5.7

Thanks for the report, Rosaleen!

I'm glad to hear that Ryan Jahnke is landing his triple axel, though it sounds like he needs greater security on the landings yet. He, Eman, Jeff and Evan are all in a great position to medal.

Many, many thanks for the reports!!!

WOW, happy for Jeffrey Buttle... I wonder if he succeeds in the freeskate also, would he have a chance of participating in Worlds? Especially if Ben Ferreira would be not so high in result? Not that I wish that to Ferreira, have seen his skating a few times in Finlandia Trophy.

Marjaana

Nice pic of Jeff!

Thanks for all these detailed reports, Rosaline. Let's hope the men's free is better skated.

Well that looks interesting. Not a well-skated event. All the top guys tried the quad and splatted it sounds like - I hope that's not indicative of what we can expect at worlds. On the other hand I'm thrilled for Jeff and Emmanuel who are in a great position to medal - particularly Jeff as this is his last competition of this season. I want him to go out with a bang. Let Emmanuel peak at worlds.

Apparently Japan is giving us another top male skater in Yamato Tamara. Poor Takeshi with all his injuries. Hope he does well in Worlds.

I presume Japan can send two male skaters to Worlds. Am I correct?

Oh, ye, it ain't over thill it's over. Lysacek can still get on the podium. Let's see.

Joe

Rosaleen, you didn't note Jeff's axel jump in your notes. I assume a triple?

Also, what did you and those you are with think of the placements (1-5)?

Thanks for the information!

dewet said:

Apparently, his presentation marks and anoynomous judging saved him.

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I could perhaps undertand that in the LP but not in the SP. I think if I were in places 2-5, I'd feel ripped off.

Thanks Cleo -- yes, Jeff landed his 3axel in the short.

What do I think about placements, oh boy . . . that's a tough one.

Because so few skated clean, and Tamura was the only clean skate near the top and he had a quad / triple I would have had him in 1st. The rest of his elements were good, not great like Jeff's but good enough that going clean with the quad/triple should have been enough to put him in 1st. It was really close between the 2. Jeff had 42 CP, Tamura 40 (you get 2 points for each 'win' over another skater) but the TPIF (total points in favour = 2 x number of judges x number of skaters each judge placed you ahead of. ) was 358 for each. The points situation was the same between Ma & Lun Song - Ma had 32CP, Song 30 but they both had 272 TPIF

I also believe that both Daisuke & Ben suffered somewhat from skating so early. I'm not sure what I would have done with the placements, but I think if they had skated later they may have been ahead of Song Gao & Lun Song.

I also think that Ryan Jahnke (much as I love his skating and his other elements are wonderful and I'm really happy he's placed where he is) lucked out a bit with the skate order. If he had of skated in the 1st group I doubt that he'd be placed as high as he is especially because his combo was only a 3z2t and with the turnout on the axel. . .

The skate order also benefited Evan, IMO

It's really hard to explain - I'm not entirely happy with how the placements ended up for 1-10 but I'm not really sure what I'd like them to be. . . does that make any sense at all?? I guess that's what the judges are for

Rosaleen, sorry to bug you again. <g>

you wrote:I also believe that both Daisuke & Ben suffered somewhat from skating so early. I'm not sure what I would have done with the placements, but I think if they had skated later they may have been ahead of Song Gao & Lun Song.>>

Your notes say that Daisuke and Ben both had falls, though.


you wrote:I also think that Ryan Jahnke (much as I love his skating and his other elements are wonderful and I'm really happy he's placed where he is) lucked out a bit with the skate order. If he had of skated in the 1st group I doubt that he'd be placed as high as he is especially because his combo was only a 3z2t and with the turnout on the axel>>

The turnout on the axel is only a 0.1 deduction. The combo was worth less than a 3/3, but still, the 3/2 was completed. Others fell or didn't complete their combos (Jeff and Eman for example). I guess I'm just wondering if you can give your opinion as to why Ryan's presentation marks were so low, as compared to Jeff and Emanuel? I love all three of these guys and find them very close artistically and in skating strengths (edges, posture - Eman and Ryan better than Jeff in that area).

Thanks!

Cleo said:

Rosaleen, sorry to bug you again. <g>

you wrote:I also believe that both Daisuke & Ben suffered somewhat from skating so early. I'm not sure what I would have done with the placements, but I think if they had skated later they may have been ahead of Song Gao & Lun Song.>>

Your notes say that Daisuke and Ben both had falls, though.

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Yes, they both had falls but so did Song Gao and Lun Song's 2nd jump in his combo was a 1t which makes it an invalid combo because the 2nd jump has to be at least a double. That's why the quandry as to what I would have done. I guess the best way to put it is that skating as early as they did didn't help Daisuke & Ben any.

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you wrote:I also think that Ryan Jahnke (much as I love his skating and his other elements are wonderful and I'm really happy he's placed where he is) lucked out a bit with the skate order. If he had of skated in the 1st group I doubt that he'd be placed as high as he is especially because his combo was only a 3z2t and with the turnout on the axel>>

The turnout on the axel is only a 0.1 deduction. The combo was worth less than a 3/3, but still, the 3/2 was completed. Others fell or didn't complete their combos (Jeff and Eman for example). I guess I'm just wondering if you can give your opinion as to why Ryan's presentation marks were so low, as compared to Jeff and Emanuel? I love all three of these guys and find them very close artistically and in skating strengths (edges, posture - Eman and Ryan better than Jeff in that area).

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Yes, Ryan's 3/2 was completed but it wasn't exactly pretty. . . really really tight on both the lutz & the toe. His basemark would have been a fair bit lower than the guys with the quad combos and usually (esp in the short) the presentation mark is tied somewhat to the base mark. for example, a base of 5.0 isn't usually going to get a presentation mark of 5.9.

I guess it's just one of the results of a really close competition, you can debate placements and marks forever I'm not saying that Ryan's placement was entirely due to the skate ordrer, but I think it helped him a bit, especially with everyone making mistakes in front of him.

Thanks, Rosaleen, for your reply. It sounds like it's a close competition with many good skaters!

It's just frustrating to "see" it through others' eyes, but better than knowing nothing!