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- Jul 11, 2003
Rgirl - I understand what you are saying about the flutz. Some are better than others. At the same time, and in my opinion, you are legitimizing it as an official jump, and not an attempted lutz (or flip for that matter). I'm not against legitimitizing the flutz but I would like to see the Official definition - not something we as fans would make uop. With the official definition I could decide the +s and -s. But not until it has become an official jump.
What you said about my views is not quite correct. It may be that I was not clear but from what I heard was that a flutz is considered officially as an attempted lutz, and is marked down accordingly. There was no judging the flutz as you may wish it; there was definitely judgiong a bad lutz. But this is hearsay that I picked uip. I have not read anything official on the flutz. I would love some poster to point it out to me.
Sorry about the misunderstanding of your views on the flutz. It was your use of the term 'minor' flutzing which got to me. It seemed to have deemed that flutzing should be graded on whether it was minor or major or somewhere in between.
IMO, if a skater takes off from a flat to execute a lutz, he/she is having a poor take off of the lutz. If he/she rocks over to an inside edge, heshe is executing a flip by definition.
We can still agree to disagree on this topic. No problem but I do wish there was an official definition of a flutz, because to me the jump does not exist officially. However, when I see a real defintion of a flutz, I'll change my mind.
Joe
What you said about my views is not quite correct. It may be that I was not clear but from what I heard was that a flutz is considered officially as an attempted lutz, and is marked down accordingly. There was no judging the flutz as you may wish it; there was definitely judgiong a bad lutz. But this is hearsay that I picked uip. I have not read anything official on the flutz. I would love some poster to point it out to me.
Sorry about the misunderstanding of your views on the flutz. It was your use of the term 'minor' flutzing which got to me. It seemed to have deemed that flutzing should be graded on whether it was minor or major or somewhere in between.
IMO, if a skater takes off from a flat to execute a lutz, he/she is having a poor take off of the lutz. If he/she rocks over to an inside edge, heshe is executing a flip by definition.
We can still agree to disagree on this topic. No problem but I do wish there was an official definition of a flutz, because to me the jump does not exist officially. However, when I see a real defintion of a flutz, I'll change my mind.
Joe