Mao's new SP!!

Minze2001 said:

That means they did not borrow your money, so what do you care. BTW have you seen any outcry from audience demanding their money back? Why do you come to Mao threads to make such...... comments.

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Minze2001 said:

That means they did not borrow your money, so what do you care. BTW have you seen any outcry from audience demanding their money back? Why do you come to Mao threads to make such...... comments.

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os168 said:

Actually I am wondering if this is really the correct music cut to her choreography. To put bluntly, they don't seem to go to go together, and doesn't even sound like live recording. it looks like a fan vid with a dubbed independent track to another performance. they are not in sync.

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Moment said:

It doesn't mean much. I'm just saying she should skate better. Maybe attempting an easier layout would help because this is an exhibition, anyway.

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Crystallize said:

Lol. It's a fan of a certain skater with a little too much time on their hands. Seriously, it doesn't matter if Mao made errors. Even if she didn't, people like Moment would still complain because they don't like Mao period. Luckily, Mao is not here to please those people.

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Moment said:

It doesn't mean much. I'm just saying she should skate better. Maybe attempting an easier layout would help because this is an exhibition, anyway.

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Minze2001 said:

No asked you your opinion. Other skaters have announced their Programs worry about them and leave Mao alone.

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Moment said:

It doesn't mean much. I'm just saying she should skate better. Maybe attempting an easier layout would help because this is an exhibition, anyway.

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Minze2001 said:

No asked you your opinion. Other skaters have announced their Programs worry about them and leave Mao alone. We know you don't like her and dislike everything she does, but don't you ever get tired of your Mao venom just saying

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Moment said:

Venom? That sounds scary!

If you don't like my posts, don't read them. What's tiring is your false accusations.

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aftertherain said:

I think it's quite admirable that she decided to perform her planned competitive(?) layout under show lights. The video clip was one performance out of several. She might have landed those jumps when TV cameras weren't there/filming. Sometimes, the criticism is that skaters are falling back on "too-easy" jumps in exhibition and not "earning" their money. And what would you propose to those skaters who fall on toeloops and salchows under show lights? Not do any jumps?

Besides, no one told [name redacted] to ease off on the triple lutz in one of their exhibition programs last year. If I remember correctly, people were more like, "OMG~ [Name redacted] did a triple lutz! No one ever does hard jumps during exhibitions!" (Which was definitely not true, by the way.) Show programs are kinda like practices with a large audience and minimal light. Might as well take advantage of it, right?

I think it's admirable for both of them to at least give the crowd a thrill by attempting harder jumps when they don't have to. They don't have to be perfect all the time--just try not to show up with jumps planned into your program, but barely being able to do a 2A. *coughsashain2007cough*



Lest you forget, this is a forum. No one "asked" for Moment's opinion, but no one asked for yours or mine either. It is open discussion.

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babyalligator said:

Whether or not Mao decides to show a preview of her competitive program at a show is her prerogative. There is nothing wrong with testing the waters.
Ideally, skaters would be presenting perfect programs all the time, but we all know that this does not happen even with easier jump content.

Perhaps the reason why posters are not positively responding to your initial comment, is the possibility to interpret your words as having a snarky undertone. Sometimes what we mean to communicate doesn't get fully transmitted.

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aftertherain said:

I think it's quite admirable that she decided to perform her planned competitive(?) layout under show lights. The video clip was one performance out of several. She might have landed those jumps when TV cameras weren't there/filming. Sometimes, the criticism is that skaters are falling back on "too-easy" jumps in exhibition and not "earning" their money. And what would you propose to those skaters who fall on toeloops and salchows under show lights? Not do any jumps?

Besides, no one told [name redacted] to ease off on the triple lutz in one of their exhibition programs last year. If I remember correctly, people were more like, "OMG~ [Name redacted] did a triple lutz! No one ever does hard jumps during exhibitions!" (Which was definitely not true, by the way.) Show programs are kinda like practices with a large audience and minimal light. Might as well take advantage of it, right?

I think it's admirable for both of them to at least give the crowd a thrill by attempting harder jumps when they don't have to. They don't have to be perfect all the time--just try not to show up with jumps planned into your program, but barely being able to do a 2A. *coughsashain2007cough*



Lest you forget, this is a forum. No one "asked" for Moment's opinion, but no one asked for yours or mine either. It is open discussion.

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Blades of Passion said:

Maturity, yes, but she has lost a lot of her effortless flow over the ice and a lot of her beautiful lines.

Sorry, but this program is totally mediocore to me. Very little of it is truly one with the music, most of it looks like its just there to tick off a required box (her flying camel is NOT good), and there are no special highlights. Look at the gorgeous way she came out of her Triple Lutz in the 2007 program (and also how she goes into it), her wonderful spiral extensions, her light-as-a-feather double axel, and the magical position and timing of her twizzles at the end of her footwork sequence. That's 4 special, memorable things. This program has 0.

I just hope that Mao is at least able to skate with freedom at the Olympics. It used to feel like she was at home on the ice, but now the majority of the time it looks like she doesn't really want to be out there.

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os168 said:

You can not be serious. This Chopin contains breathtaking emotional highs and is adorned with beautiful playful use of tones and trills to highlight the heart fluttering moments of brimming passion spilt over before realizing one's self awareness. It is certainly easily impressionable as if you hear the music the first time. The final passage of the music especially recalls greater depth of emotion lyricism that summarize the conclusion of the love and admiration with fortissimo repeat of the main them to reaffirm affection with greater intensity then gently calm down to its softness self assurance and recollecting moments of romanticism.

The first 2 notes (B flat and G) are the main key motifs for the whole piece and should be highlighted where ever possible, like a beginning of a paragraph of poetry, of love letter, a deep held breathe, a moment held on to dear life as linger to breathtaking love at first sights sort of emotions. The softness, gentle ascension of melody, the build ups, of descriptive movements is pure romanticism of the 19th century. It is the epitome of 19th century young gentleman (innocent, unseasoned) sort of unspoken love/sentimentality, polite exteriors, repressed but brimming passion and admiration wrapped up in a secret whisper to oneself, suffered in loneliness without any expectation. Choreographically and performance wise, there are heaps of opportunity for emotional lingering, presenting the change in mood at key melodic changes which should be highlighted for the full effect. The noticeable lack of highlight along the same monotonic lyricism in Mao's performance clearly indicate her failure to comprehend the music with the the necessary rhythmic interpretation at key moments with clarity to bring out the necessary emotional highlights of the music. Is her romanticism entirely onto herself, her past and the idea of skating? Or love for someone else, sensuality, repressed passion and admiration framed by etiquette of civility as the composer intended for his lady friend who's married to one of his friend...

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Mathman said:

Wow! :thumbsup:

Unfortunately, no figure skater in history could manage a tenth of all those musical nuances in a competitive performance.

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os168 said:

You can not be serious. This Chopin contains breathtaking emotional highs and is adorned with beautiful playful use of tones and trills to highlight the heart fluttering moments of brimming passion spilt over before realizing one's self awareness. It is certainly easily impressionable as if you hear the music the first time. The final passage of the music especially recalls greater depth of emotion lyricism that summarize the conclusion of the love and admiration with fortissimo repeat of the main them to reaffirm affection with greater intensity then gently calm down to its softness self assurance and recollecting moments of romanticism.

The first 2 notes (B flat and G) are the main key motifs for the whole piece and should be highlighted where ever possible, like a beginning of a paragraph of poetry, of love letter, a deep held breathe, a moment held on to dear life as linger to breathtaking love at first sights sort of emotions. The softness, gentle ascension of melody, the build ups, of descriptive movements is pure romanticism of the 19th century. It is the epitome of 19th century young gentleman (innocent, unseasoned) sort of unspoken love/sentimentality, polite exteriors, repressed but brimming passion and admiration wrapped up in a secret whisper to oneself, suffered in loneliness without any expectation. Choreographically and performance wise, there are heaps of opportunity for emotional lingering, presenting the change in mood at key melodic changes which should be highlighted for the full effect. The noticeable lack of highlight along the same monotonic lyricism in Mao's performance clearly indicate her failure to comprehend the music with the the necessary rhythmic interpretation at key moments with clarity to bring out the necessary emotional highlights of the music. Is her romanticism entirely onto herself, her past and the idea of skating? Or love for someone else, sensuality, repressed passion and admiration framed by etiquette of civility as the composer intended for his lady friend who's married to one of his friend.

Actually I am wondering if this is really the correct music cut to her choreography. To put bluntly, they don't seem to go together, and doesn't even sound like live recording. it looks like a fan vid with a dubbed independent track to another performance. they are not in sync. There's no doubt Mao is a beautiful show skater but this choreography doesn't fit the track other than they share similar gentle lovely qualities. (When you leave Jump issues aside, I don't see how this is a competitive program, but it does make a lovely show program if your sole interest is to see Mao skating beautifully with pleasant background music regardless what it is.)

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os168 said:

Of course they can, and many are capable of managing more including herself in the past.

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Mathman said:

Link, please, to acompetitive performance that takes advantage of repeated B flats and Gs to capture the epitome of a 19th century young gentleman (innocent, unseasoned) sort of unspoken love/sentimentality, polite exteriors, repressed but brimming passion and admiration wrapped up in a secret whisper to oneself, suffered in loneliness without any expectation -- all while throwing in a triple Axel (8.5 points!), presumably on one of those B flats or Gs.

A performance, that is to say, that makes the audience say, "Aha! That skater clearly is experiencing repressed passion and admiration framed by etiquette of civility with regard to his lady friend who's married to one of his friends. {FCCoSp4, 3.5 points! don't miss the haircutter variation.)

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Mathman said:

Link, please, to acompetitive performance that takes advantage of repeated B flats and Gs to capture the epitome of a 19th century young gentleman (innocent, unseasoned) sort of unspoken love/sentimentality, polite exteriors, repressed but brimming passion and admiration wrapped up in a secret whisper to oneself, suffered in loneliness without any expectation -- all while throwing in a triple Axel (8.5 points!), presumably on one of those B flats or Gs.

A performance, that is to say, that makes the audience say, "Aha! That skater clearly is experiencing repressed passion and admiration framed by etiquette of civility with regard to his lady friend who's married to one of his friends. {FCCoSp4, 3.5 points! don't miss the haircutter variation.)

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os168 said:

The first 2 notes (B flat and G) are the main key motifs for the whole piece and should be highlighted where ever possible, like a beginning of a paragraph of poetry, of love letter, a deep held breathe, a moment held on to dear life as linger to breathtaking love at first sights sort of emotions. The softness, gentle ascension of melody, the build ups, of descriptive movements is pure romanticism of the 19th century. It is the epitome of 19th century young gentleman (innocent, unseasoned) sort of unspoken love/sentimentality, polite exteriors, repressed but brimming passion and admiration wrapped up in a secret whisper to oneself, suffered in loneliness without any expectation. Choreographically and performance wise, there are heaps of opportunity for emotional lingering, presenting the change in mood at key melodic changes which should be highlighted for the full effect. The noticeable lack of highlight along the same monotonic lyricism in Mao's performance clearly indicate her failure to comprehend the music with the the necessary rhythmic interpretation at key moments with clarity to bring out the necessary emotional highlights of the music. Is her romanticism entirely onto herself, her past and the idea of skating? Or love for someone else, sensuality, repressed passion and admiration framed by etiquette of civility as the composer intended for his lady friend who's married to one of his friend.

Actually I am wondering if this is really the correct music cut to her choreography. To put bluntly, they don't seem to go together, and doesn't even sound like live recording. it looks like a fan vid with a dubbed independent track to another performance. they are not in sync. There's no doubt Mao is a beautiful show skater but this choreography doesn't fit the track other than they share similar gentle lovely qualities. (When you leave Jump issues aside, I don't see how this is a competitive program, but it does make a lovely show program if your sole interest is to see Mao skating beautifully with pleasant background music regardless what it is.)

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