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Vanshilar · Sep 13, 2017

Yes, I think a toeless lutz would have to be done with the free leg behind, similar to a walley (or a lutz, haha). My thought is that when no toe pick is involved, then when rotating in the same direction as the entry edge, it's better to place the body (and hence the free leg) within the circle being made by the entry curve. Hence the salchow, loop, and inside axel positions; the axel being the exception because of the power of the free leg swing. But for counter-rotated jumps, it's better for the weight to be outside the circle, essentially because you're switching circles in the air. Hence the walley (and thus the toeless lutz) I'd expect the free leg to be behind.

It's just a bit of speculation though.

Leonardo · Sep 16, 2017

Hello, guys! Sorry if this has been asked before, but what happens to the BV of a jump that receives an ur call and an edge call at the same time? For example: a 3lz e <

Does it still get 70 per cent of the bv or something lower like 70 per cent of 70 per cent?

Thank you!

Vanshilar · Sep 17, 2017

Leonardo said:
Hello, guys! Sorry if this has been asked before, but what happens to the BV of a jump that receives an ur call and an edge call at the same time? For example: a 3lz e <

Does it still get 70 per cent of the bv or something lower like 70 per cent of 70 per cent?

Thank you!

It gets 60% of the BV. In the scale of values, if a jump is under-rotated OR wrong edge, then the value will be in column "V" which is 70% of the BV. If a jump is under-rotated AND wrong edge, then the value will be in column "V1" which is 60% of the BV.

Leonardo · Sep 17, 2017

Vanshilar said:
It gets 60% of the BV. In the scale of values, if a jump is under-rotated OR wrong edge, then the value will be in column "V" which is 70% of the BV. If a jump is under-rotated AND wrong edge, then the value will be in column "V1" which is 60% of the BV.

Thank you!

charlotte14 · Oct 2, 2017

Vanshilar said:
Yes, I think a toeless lutz would have to be done with the free leg behind, similar to a walley (or a lutz, haha). My thought is that when no toe pick is involved, then when rotating in the same direction as the entry edge, it's better to place the body (and hence the free leg) within the circle being made by the entry curve. Hence the salchow, loop, and inside axel positions; the axel being the exception because of the power of the free leg swing. But for counter-rotated jumps, it's better for the weight to be outside the circle, essentially because you're switching circles in the air. Hence the walley (and thus the toeless lutz) I'd expect the free leg to be behind.

It's just a bit of speculation though.

I can't image something like that. If there is no toe pick, then it's more like an outside Sal

Spirals for Miles · Oct 9, 2017

Weird question...Why do we never see combos that have a 2A-3Lo (or 2A-2Lo) Is it a matter of the jump mechanics?

dorispulaski · Oct 9, 2017

Spirals for Miles said:
Weird question...Why do we never see combos that have a 2A-3Lo (or 2A-2Lo) Is it a matter of the jump mechanics?

The 2Lo as part of a combo was a requirement in the 1988 Olympic year.

All 3 men's medallists did 3A2Lo in their SP that year:
Boitano at Nationals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah3Fmy7hAn0
Orser at Olympics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8lQGAxH4VYx
Petrenko at Olympics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Jw81aAFGU

3Lo as a second jump in any combination is not frequent, because it is often called under-rotated. It is not worth the risk.

Maybe the most amazing 3Lo as second jump I remember was Midori Ito' s, who satisfied the 1988 SP requirement by doing 2Lo3Lo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIzYlQhiBRo

notunprepared · Oct 25, 2017

I'm very new to figure skating (literally got into it two weeks ago) and I want to watch Skate Canada but I'm having trouble understanding the schedule. The different colours are the different categories, but what does s/f mean on the Thursday? Is that practice time?

And just so I know I'm reading it right, Friday 10am is the men's short program yes? What's happening on Friday at 12:57?

Thanks!

cleo2070 · Oct 25, 2017

notunprepared said:
I'm very new to figure skating (literally got into it two weeks ago) and I want to watch Skate Canada but I'm having trouble understanding the schedule. The different colours are the different categories, but what does s/f mean on the Thursday? Is that practice time?

And just so I know I'm reading it right, Friday 10am is the men's short program yes? What's happening on Friday at 12:57?

Thanks!

Welcome, notunprepared!

Post long, post often!

Yes, s/f refers to the practice of the Short/Free Program or Dance. If the interval is coloured in its entirety, then it's the practice. If just the upper and lower margins are coloured, then it's the actual competition. So the first competition is Ladies Short Program on Friday at 12:57 local time. Check out Doris' mega-useful post here for a link to the time in other places!

Also, have a look in the Skate Canada sub-forum, you'll see lots of details discussed there

pearly · Oct 26, 2017

notunprepared said:
I'm very new to figure skating (literally got into it two weeks ago) and I want to watch Skate Canada but I'm having trouble understanding the schedule. The different colours are the different categories, but what does s/f mean on the Thursday? Is that practice time?

And just so I know I'm reading it right, Friday 10am is the men's short program yes? What's happening on Friday at 12:57?

Thanks!

In this case Thursday is practice day with official practices (judges & panel attend) and the skaters can CHOOSE whether they will practice their Short or Free in each session (that's why it says S/F on the schedule; meaning Short/Free). Each group will get a warmup period and then the music will be played in a particular order. I haven't been able to find that order online yet

The skaters will have informed the person operating the music whether they will skate their short or their free at that practice session.

If someone is not present, their music will still be played or there will be a 4 minute period of background music until it's next skater's turn.

You noticed that each category has two practice sessions today - they will most likely skate one program in the morning and the other one in the afternoon. But they can do what they choose. Most skaters will omit the most difficult elements during their runthrough - some jumps and lifts will only be "marked" and not executed.

The competition itself is on Friday afternoon (short program/short dance) and Saturday afternoon (free program/free dance). Official practices will take place in the morning on each day, but then skaters do not get the chance to choose what they practice. On Friday their SD/SP music will be played, on Saturday their FD/FP. The music will be played in the same order as in the competition.

Friday at 10 am is men's short program practice. As cleo2070 wrote, the first competition event is at 12:57 on Friday - Ladies short.

Enjoy watching!

karne · Oct 26, 2017

notunprepared said:
I'm very new to figure skating (literally got into it two weeks ago) and I want to watch Skate Canada but I'm having trouble understanding the schedule. The different colours are the different categories, but what does s/f mean on the Thursday? Is that practice time?

And just so I know I'm reading it right, Friday 10am is the men's short program yes? What's happening on Friday at 12:57?

Thanks!

Are you in Australia like me? I'm about to post my time conversions in the Aussie threads in the Fan Fest, it comes out pretty good for us ngl! I do these conversions from the official schedule.

dorispulaski · Oct 26, 2017

And if you need a livestream or TV schedule, check the TV thread in the event folder:
For Skate Canada:
https://goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?66176-2017-GP-Skate-Canada-TV-Schedules

or the first post of the event itself ( Ladies SP Minsk Ice Star )
https://goldenskate.com/forum/showt...sk-Ladies-SP&p=1816453&viewfull=1#post1816453

freeman21 · Oct 26, 2017

Is it ok to film during events? I mean with a smartphone and only for a few minutes (like 1-2 programs), not the entire event.
(never been to a live event before)

Spirals for Miles · Oct 26, 2017

I wouldn't know for sure, but I wouldn't see a problem as long you're not obnoxious about it / block other people's view...

dorispulaski · Oct 28, 2017

The camera policy for an event is generally advertised on the event website beforehand. If not, you can send a question to the group holding the event:
Here is an example.

http://www.lifeskate.com/skate/2013...s-and-videos-at-2014-nationals-in-boston.html

borzaya · Nov 4, 2017

Another language question. As you may have noticed from some google translations, the Russian word for a popped jump is "бабочка" - which literally means "butterfly". A user at another forum tries to persuade me that the English-speakers also call a popped jump "butterfly". But I have never come across such term in any English texts or talks about figure skating yet :think: So, is it true or not? Thanks in advance.

gkelly · Nov 4, 2017

In English, I've only ever heard "butterfly" used to refer to this kind of flying spin entrance. (It can also be done as an isolated move without the spin -- most likely in a choreo sequence.)

nimi · Nov 4, 2017

borzaya said:
Another language question. As you may have noticed from some google translations, the Russian word for a popped jump is "бабочка" - which literally means "butterfly".

I'm not a native speaker, but yeah, I don't remember even hearing popped jumps being called "butterflies", either.

Which reminds me... In my language, a popped jump is often called a "balloon". English speakers don't use that expression, right? (Just checking.)

NanaPat · Nov 5, 2017

nimi said:
I'm not a native speaker, but yeah, I don't remember even hearing popped jumps being called "butterflies", either.

Which reminds me... In my language, a popped jump is often called a "balloon". English speakers don't use that expression, right? (Just checking.)

I've never heard a pop called either a butterfly or a balloon in English.

borzaya · Nov 5, 2017

Thanks everyone for your answers!

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