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The Battle for Bronze - Ice Dance

CanadianSkaterGuy

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Sorry I should clarify, I know about 2011 worlds but thats just worlds...in the Olympics I foresee a European team (and likely B/S) shutting out W/P because ice dance is the one discipline you can get away with favoured placements PCS/GOE due to the lack of errors. And as far as politicking goes, the Russian fed would have to still hope for a good skate from Plushenko/Julia to justify medal wins whereas B/S simply cleanly executing their programs (no matter how bad the programs are) will be enough for a bronze. Its not a certainty, but home ice advantage in ice dance can make ridiculous things happen... Remember Fusarpoli/Margaglio winning the CD in Torino? :rolleye:
 

Jammers

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If Russia wants to stop a North American sweep then they need to get better simple as that. I notice they never complained when Russia was dominating Ice Dancing.
 

Mrs. P

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I would consider I/K winning a medal in Sochi a huge long shot too, but they are by far more likely than the Shibutanis. The Shibutanis have the same chance as a team from Australia of winning the bronze in Sochi right now, as in exactly 0. They will be in a dogfight with Hubbel & Donohue to even make the Olympic team, and my gut right now is telling me they wont. Yes the Shibutanis beat I/K at Worlds but I/K had a very weak competition there while the Shibutanis had their best one and I/K still had much higher PCS. When I/K are at their best they beat C/L and nearly B/S at Europeans last year. The Shibutanis were just at their best at Skate America and were absolutely trounced by the Italians who they clearly arent competitive with at this point, and eked out 3rd place over H/B.

I agree I/K odds are only about equal with a team like Chock & Bates though.


Actually, Worlds wasn't that great for the Shibutanis either, as far as the FD goes. They did decent in the SD, and were a little over a point behind W/P and less than a point than C/B.

But they did quite poorly in the FD, finishing 9th behind the Zhiganshina/Gazsi. Basically, they lost a lot of points on levels on their step sequences.

I don't think the Shibs were at their best at SA either. They had a nice SD visually, but they lost five points to C/L on low levels on Finnstep. FD was better with levels, but there is still room for improvement as far as +GOE.

That said, I don't expect them to in contention for bronze at this point, but I don't think it's a doom and gloom season for them either. They seem to be focused on getting the levels and statistically, that's what helps a dance couple stay in the mix of things.
 

pangtongfan

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Remember Fusarpoli/Margaglio winning the CD in Torino? :rolleye:

Their CD was actually very good and could have been justified being put into 2nd place behind N/K. Their OD and FD skills by that point were not up to the other teams, even without the fall in the OD, and the judges could do nothing to save them there. It isnt shocking the 2002 Olympic bronze medalists (and 2001 World Champions) could come back and be somewhat competitive 4 years in a field where the highest placed team from the 2002 Olympics contending was 7th in 2002, and where the 2006 gold medal favorites were only 9th in 2002.

We obviously wont agree so we will have to just wait and see. I totally disagree all B/S have to do is stay on their feet and the bronze is theirs. I fully expect if W/P skate to their full potential (which they sometimes dont do in major moments) they will win the bronze, regardless what B/S do.
 

FlattFan

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D/S dominated the Tango Romantica CD all season long. They beat F/S in Euro due to the strength of their compulsory dance. They beat both D/W and V/M in this phase.

B/S aren't the same level. They can't even come close to D/W and V/M in anything.

I think D/S were a bit lucky that they got the bronze in 2010, but unlucky that he was crippled. At their best, the fight for Gold would not have been just between D/W and V/M.

Again, B/S at their best is near C/L and W/P at their best, and slightly below P/B.
 

pangtongfan

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Davis & White especialy were very lucky in 2010. Domnina & Shabalin injured and not at their best, and Delobel & Schoenfelder coming off a long layoff due to her injury, then her pregnancy. I dont think they would have even been on the podium in Vancouver otherwise. At that point they were not that great yet, and artistically were very immature.
 

KKonas

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Bobrova & Soloviev meet Pechalat & Bouzat this weekend in China. Who wins here may be favored going into Euros. The Italians are also a threat for the European title. Olympics are all about rewarding skaters for their career achievements. Whichever team wins Euros will be a major contender for the Olympic podium, so I wouldn’t count P&B out. Don’t forget that France may also have a tech specialist on the Olympic Dance panel as well as a judge.
 

gmyers

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Sorry I should clarify, I know about 2011 worlds but thats just worlds...in the Olympics I foresee a European team (and likely B/S) shutting out W/P because ice dance is the one discipline you can get away with favoured placements PCS/GOE due to the lack of errors. And as far as politicking goes, the Russian fed would have to still hope for a good skate from Plushenko/Julia to justify medal wins whereas B/S simply cleanly executing their programs (no matter how bad the programs are) will be enough for a bronze. Its not a certainty, but home ice advantage in ice dance can make ridiculous things happen... Remember Fusarpoli/Margaglio winning the CD in Torino? :rolleye:

But bronze means nothing. Look at the reaction to d/s bronze from Vancouver! It was seen as disgrace and failure and the articles were all about the end and collapse of Russian ice dance- in Russia!! Russia is not going to bother with second loser medals.

Plus d/s were world champions whose od was trash and fd involved cheating to na people and b/a weren't wc and their programs were garbage too. It's why the coaching of high profile skaters by linichuk has ended. She destroyed her business in 2010 because of both d/s and b/a.
 

KKonas

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Who is Ilia Averbukh? Talk is cheap, let's get to the ice!!

Averbukh is the 2002 Olympic ice dance silver medalist and 2002 World ice dance champion and 2003 world ice dance silver medalist with Irina Lobacheva.
 

Mrs. P

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Averbukh is the 2002 Olympic ice dance silver medalist and 2002 World ice dance champion and 2003 world ice dance silver medalist with Irina Lobacheva.

And he also won junior worlds twice with Marina Anissina before leaving her for Lobacheva, who he later married and divorced.
 

CassAgain

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Which team does Ilia think has the gold, or does he think that all three medals are toss-ups between USA, Canada and Russia?
 
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