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Are I/K done after falling again?

tulosai

Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 21, 2011
I'm just saying at this point why are I/K still in the sport?

I know, right? Shameful! Taking that spot away from all the better Russian teams out there! And when they are only capable of scoring 171.89 at their BEST!

Ok sorry, had to get it out of my system. I'll be good now.
 

BlackPack

Medalist
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
I&K were very impressive in TEB. They have worked hard to improve their fluidity and every element. Over 102 points; their TES and PCS are almost matching now. Congrats, they are back on track.
 

hanca

Record Breaker
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Russian dance is so strange right now. They are producing many World Junior winners, and all go Senior and do nothing. Coaching seems bad, choreography seems outdated, and they just don't seem to get anywhere. When V&M and D&W retire things will be fairly open again, but right now the Russians seem in no position to capatilize that much.

I was wondering about that too.

Past results from junior worlds:

2010
1. Elena Ilinykh / Nikita Katsalapov,
3. Ksenia Monko / Kirill Khaliavin
6. Ekaterina Pushkash / Jonathan Guerreiro

2011
1. Ksenia Monko / Kirill Khaliavin
2. Ekaterina Pushkash / Jonathan Guerreiro
6. Evgenia Kosigina / Nikolai Moroshkin

2012
1. Victoria Sinitsina / Ruslan Zhiganshin
2. Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin
4. Anna Yanovskaia / Sergei Mozgov

2013
1. Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin
4. Valeria Zenkova / Valerie Sinitsin
6. Evgenia Kosigina / Nikolai Moroshkin

Results from JGPF:
JGPF
season 2009-2010
1 Ksenia Monko / Kirill Khaliavin
2 Elena Ilinykh / Nikita Katsalapov
5 Ekaterina Pushkash / Jonathan Guerreiro
8 Marina Antipova / Artem Kudashev

season 2010-2011
1 Ksenia Monko / Kirill Khaliavin
2 Victoria Sinitsina / Ruslan Zhiganshin
3 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin
4 Ekaterina Pushkash / Jonathan Guerreiro
6 Evgenia Kosigina / Nikolai Moroshkin
8 Marina Antipova / Artem Kudashev

season 2011-2012
1 Victoria Sinitsina / Ruslan Zhiganshin
2 Anna Yanovskaia / Sergei Mozgov
3 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin

2012-2013
1 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin
4 Anna Yanovskaia / Sergei Mozgov
5 Valeria Zenkova / Valerie Sinitsin
6 Evgenia Kosigina / Nikolai Moroshkin

In the last few years there seems to be quite a few Russian dance couples getting into JGPF, a Russian dance couple winning junior worlds, usually the lowest from three Russian couples attending junior worlds are no worse than sixth, but where are they in seniors? It seems to me that it is much harder to push through now than a few years ago, because after the last Olympics no top dance couples retired. But that still doesn't explain why neither of them are catching up at least Riazanova-Tkachenko.
 

SimplyLex

On the Ice
Joined
Oct 22, 2013
In the last few years there seems to be quite a few Russian dance couples getting into JGPF, a Russian dance couple winning junior worlds, usually the lowest from three Russian couples attending junior worlds are no worse than sixth, but where are they in seniors? It seems to me that it is much harder to push through now than a few years ago, because after the last Olympics no top dance couples retired. But that still doesn't explain why neither of them are catching up at least Riazanova-Tkachenko.

DomShab, DelShoes, B/A, F/S, the Kerrs... I'd say a couple top dance couples did retire after 2010 (or 2011).
 

noidont

Final Flight
Joined
Mar 27, 2010
The junior Russian dance teams dominated JGP because they met with even less impressive competition from North America. The real question is, who is going to be the face of NA dance after V/M and D/W? Right now, of all the junior dance teams on JWC podium from 2011-13, Papadakis/Cizeron is the only team I see some promise and possible longevity from.
 

dorispulaski

Wicked Yankee Girl
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Country
United-States
Hawayek & Baker, McNamara & Carpenter from the US this year, and there are a lot of good Canadian kids as well.
 

hanca

Record Breaker
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
DomShab, DelShoes, B/A, F/S, the Kerrs... I'd say a couple top dance couples did retire after 2010 (or 2011).

You are right, a few couples did, but those completely at the top stayed on. (V-M, D-W). And a few others may not have been completely at the top but are definitely more established than those who currently leave junior ranks (Pechalat-Bourzat, Capellini-Lanotte). It still seem to me that there is not much movement within rankings in ice dance.
 

KKonas

Medalist
Joined
Oct 31, 2009
Nikita Katsalapov finally controlled his speed at TEB therefore less sloppy errors and an overall more balanced program. They didn't look like they were rushing around but still had good speed. Russian Nationals and Euros will be fascinating to see if I/K can win both. If so, they definitely will be aiming for the podium in Sochi.
 

sisinka

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 25, 2006
Let’s stop talking about finishing skating or anything like that, I think I long as somebody wants to skate as long he/she is allowed to do that….

Propaganda of Lena and Pantene (and maybe sport too)..
Pantene adds:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=dw5c4&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10dh350&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2e52xbr&s=5

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yoboeo&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=295u3xy&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2rw0nwn&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=mvg2sw&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2igip91&s=5

Spot about thank to mom from P&G with Lena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEt-ZSxGBE
(confused why isn’t Nikita in it too, Bobrova had the same add and she and her mum took Dima as a team member ???), interesting watching Morozov doing lifts with Lena

Last photoshot…. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fwt7pt&s=5

Elena already did such work in 2012 for Men’s Health:
http://www.mhealth.ru/sex/obekt-zhelaniya/obekt-zhelaniya-elena-ilinyx/ (video)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1411mb9&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=dha6m9&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zbf692&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=210nlmp&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2z5itc9&s=5

Read an interview with Tarasova where she noticed that it is a pity that I&K are not in GPF and that they started to love hard work.
 

Kitt

Final Flight
Joined
Feb 1, 2007
Country
United-States
I saw them live at TEB and all I can say is WOW. Hope they will be Russia's new #1.
 

Skater Boy

Record Breaker
Joined
Feb 24, 2012
I know, right? Shameful! Taking that spot away from all the better Russian teams out there! And when they are only capable of scoring 171.89 at their BEST!

Ok sorry, had to get it out of my system. I'll be good now.

Sarcasm???
 

Skater Boy

Record Breaker
Joined
Feb 24, 2012
I think I and k have huge potential and could even medal at world's or olympics eventually - if they work hard on their technicque and clean up their skating they really are a marvelous pair - actually I think if they had one more year they wouldhave challenged for an Oly medal - in fact they still could medal - if they get ahead of BS and cna challenge W and P, C and L, the second American team and P and B of course.
 

gmyers

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 6, 2010
I read many prediction posts and blog entries calling I/k huge favorites who will win a landslide and they aren't by ignorant people! It's just I/k can't do it.
 

chuckm

Record Breaker
Joined
Aug 31, 2003
Country
United-States
Elena is a very emotional, mercurial personality. I often feel that I/K's results on any given day are dependent on her moods. It must be awfully difficult for her partner.
 

tulosai

Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 21, 2011
This thread is the height of melodrama. 2nd in the Europeans SP (even with a few couples missing) is not exactly the pits. People who think it is all over for I/K surely then think it is all over for anyone who has more than 3 years of senior experience that is placed beneath them right now??

I think the bottom line is, are they living up to their potential? No. And do people have a right to hate them, for that or something else, and cry doom constantly? Sure, yes.

But the reality is this team is not going away. ANY other country besides Russia, the USA, and Canada would be thanking their lucky stars on their knees if I/K were skating for them and only in France and in Italy (in addition to the countries already mentioned) would they not be assured of being the number 1 team.

As they will doubtless stick it out for another quad, I think it is impossible to say what their prospects are anyway. They may get it together, or they may not, but even if they don't, in some of their weakest performances, they are still a top 10 in the world team. It's not really like they need to just retire and kill themselves- they are VERY successful, just not as successful as some people think they SHOULD be.
 
Joined
Jan 22, 2004
They are absolutely hopeless headcases.

As CanadianSkaterGuy pointed out in the Euros FD thread, they still could have won Europeans even with that fall. But Ilinykh decided to give up and just walked through the diagonal step sequence. Because her edges were quite flat and not defined enough, they only got Lv2 for that element. A higher level would have meant the gold medal!

Everybody can make mistakes. But you need to forget it, stay in the moment and fight on. The problem with I/K is that time and time again they show that they can't do that. She just gives up and he sometimes loses his focus after one mistake. That's what really kills their scores.
 
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