Ladies SP - 2013 Rostelecom Cup

mateusp1 said:

Just watched Agnes' program...

If there is someone in this competition that can be considered the most underscored... I would say Agnes is the person.

She was very underscored. I am talking about TES.

3T+3T got +1,0. That combo deserved +2. There was a judge that gave 0.

3Lz...Ok, not clean, not perfect, but a lot of judges gave -2. -1 would be okay. -1 from all judges would mean -0,7 overrall, not -1,0 as she got.

Spins... I kinda agree with the scores. But, I thought her slightly underscored. I would have given slightly higher scores. Agnes has pretty good spins.

2Axel... 0 of execution for that? Ok, it was not great. But, +1 would be the proper goe for that axel.

And the steps... I thought that step sequence very undermarked. It was the second best today, behind Carolina's. She got level 3 and +0,29 of GOE. I thought the GOE very low.

Overrall, I have to say that I think the judges were very very stingy with Agnes.

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FlattFan said:

This is eff up!
Julia is getting huge GOE on her "jumps"
Julia is getting huge PCS and SS. I said 100x times her SS is actually so weak it should be in the 4s. Now it's 8s.

Ok, this sad case is getting more likely to be a OGmedalist at the Olympics now. And turn off casual skating viewer forever. I mean, look at this girl, this is your OGMist doodling hearts and stars on ice, and then some yoga time, and then some tiny jumps, and BANG, OMG.

I declare figure skating dead for ladies. Will not resuscitate this one.

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FlattFan said:

This is eff up!
Julia is getting huge GOE on her "jumps"
Julia is getting huge PCS and SS. I said 100x times her SS is actually so weak it should be in the 4s. Now it's 8s.

Ok, this sad case is getting more likely to be a OGmedalist at the Olympics now. And turn off casual skating viewer forever. I mean, look at this girl, this is your OGMist doodling hearts and stars on ice, and then some yoga time, and then some tiny jumps, and BANG, OMG.

I declare figure skating dead for ladies. Will not resuscitate this one.

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FlattFan said:

Ok, this sad case is getting more likely to be a OGmedalist at the Olympics now. And turn off casual skating viewer forever. I mean, look at this girl, this is your OGMist doodling hearts and stars on ice, and then some yoga time, and then some tiny jumps, and BANG, OMG.

I declare figure skating dead for ladies. Will not resuscitate this one.

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koatcue said:

OMG..People really think that Costner should have won or was a close 2d???Wake up! Julia was reaaaally good here! Deal with it! PS - didn't like Tuk's short ><

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Totentanz said:

Julia is a real senior lady now, maybe a little young but she is skating with great confidence. For jumps, her 3Lz+3t has really good height considering her body type. She had a worse double axel in the previous years, now it looks decent with good transitions before and afterwards.

It looks like Julia skating this much perfect and getting these high scores make people worry a lot for their favorites. Noone can say Julia is a better skater than Caro, Mao or Yuna. Or even Adelina, Anna, Liza.. But it's obvious that she is the best spinner in the current ladies field, fastest spins with stable positions, great elasticity. Also she has much better nerves than many others. She is determined to do her job perfect, and she has been doing so far this season. That's why she is being rewarded by judges. All we should do is congratulate and clap this young lady.

Being so young helps her on strength and elasticity side, but it's also a disadvantage for experience and presentation. Julia is overcoming these disadvantages very well. She is improving on the presentation side. Anyone will accept that Caro has much better steps and flow on the ice. But today she was a bit buried on the technical side by Julia, that's why I think her PCS is not so much higher than her. Still big congratulations to Carolina, I enjoyed her program here. Much better than COC. She presented very well with her usual self confidence. And she has shown that she will get more stable jumps as Olympics are approaching. Many said she is not in the mix for olympic medal anymore, she has proven the opposite here. Well done.

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kwanatic said:

I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that Julia won the SP...but her scores are really inflated. Carolina didn't have the same content as Julia so the discrepancy in the TES is okay (though the GOE on her jumps is debatable). The problem is the judges put Julia on near equal footing with Carolina in terms of PCS and that is what people are shocked about.

For Julia to be within a point of Carolina in terms of PCS is just terrible scoring...and the judges are the ones to blame...not Julia.

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koatcue said:

Agree but at the same time PCS can be downgraded if the skating wasn't perfect. Nethertheless Caro should have got about 3 points higher than Julia. But don't forget it's Cup of Russia. Homescoring here is as evident as any other host country's this year.

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LiamForeman said:

I have to disagree with you wrt the casual skating viewer. She is a pretty young girl, has the most incredible looking spins, she lands all her jumps, and is musical (at least IMO). I prefer this kind of presentation than fakey Betty Boop moves like your idol tried. To a skating oficionado, her marks don't make sense, but to the casual viewer I think ladies' skating will very much stay alive.

In a way Lip is the 'anti-Chan'. I'm more worried that Chan will fall all over the ice and still get OGM. The casual viewer could potentially be turned off forever if that happened. But if Lip skates cleanly with a compelling program, I don't see an outrage brewing.

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