Ice Dance SD - 2013 Rostelecom Cup | Golden Skate

Ice Dance SD - 2013 Rostelecom Cup

sky_fly20

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Joined
Nov 20, 2011
liveresults: http://www.isuresults.com/results/gprus2013/SEG007.HTM

Warm-Up Group 1
1 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR
2 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS
3 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
4 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA

Warm-Up Group 2
5 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS
6 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA
7 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN
8 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS
 

dorispulaski

Wicked Yankee Girl
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Country
United-States
Tech Panel

Function Name Nation
Referee Ms. Alla SHEKHOVTSEVA ISU

Technical Controller Ms. Katalin ALPERN ISU

Technical Specialist Mr. Michael WEBSTER ISU

Assistant Technical Specialist Ms. Sylwia NOWAK-TREBACKA ISU



Data Operator Mr. Soltan KOKOEV ISU

Replay Operator Mr. Dzianis SAROKIN ISU
 

KKonas

Medalist
Joined
Oct 31, 2009
Tech Panel

Function Name Nation
Referee Ms. Alla SHEKHOVTSEVA ISU (RUS)

Technical Controller Ms. Katalin ALPERN ISU (ISR)

Technical Specialist Mr. Michael WEBSTER ISU (GER)

Assistant Technical Specialist Ms. Sylwia NOWAK-TREBACKA ISU (POL)
 

chuckm

Record Breaker
Joined
Aug 31, 2003
Country
United-States
The Referee is the wife of Piseev, the head of the Russian federation.
The Technical Controller is Katalin Alpern (ISR) who used to judge for HUN before the breakup of the USSR
Sylwia Nowak-Trebicka is a former ice dancer (in the 90's) from Poland
An all European tech panel where two members are eastern-European will tend to prefer the Russian style.
 

wallylutz

Medalist
Joined
Mar 23, 2010
The Referee is the wife of Piseev, the head of the Russian federation.
The Technical Controller is Katalin Alpern (ISR) who used to judge for HUN before the breakup of the USSR
Sylwia Nowak-Trebicka is a former ice dancer (in the 90's) from Poland
An all European tech panel where two members are eastern-European will tend to prefer the Russian style.

You assumed incorrectly. Ms. Alpern has had a reputation of being Canadian friendly ever since the Ice Dance controversies started with Bourne/Kraatz vs. Block Judging allegations in the late 1990s. She often sided with B/K against a predominantly Russian influenced panel, first as a Hungarian judge. In those days 1998-2002 period, not many European judges would want to be perceived as Canadian friendly without incurring the wrath of the Russians - she was one of the few exceptions. The other exception is now the Chairwoman of ISU Ice Dance Technical Committee and there is a reason why she is elected as opposed to the referee of this competition from Russia.

Don't really know Mr. Webster, can't comment on him.

Don't know Ms. Nowak either, haven't heard she is particularly political one way or the other. I will however say Poland, since the 1990s is much more Western aligned than being a Russian satellite. Despite being an Eastern European country, Poland has strongly resisted the Russians in recent years. I don't think they like the Russians any more than the Lithuanians. As for any perceived or real cultural influences based on her upbringing, I doubt it would be significant or material.

Unlike the TEB Technical Panel, at least the one here does not have any apparent, whether real or perceived, conflict of interests. None of the nations presented here are in the Top 5 at Worlds, in fact, these are fairly low ranking members in the Ice Dance world - I think they will be fairly objective.

Sorry Chuck, if you are looking for "somebody" to put W/P under an ultra-fine microscope a la a woman who shall remain nameless last week, it ain't happening this week.
 
Joined
Jan 22, 2004
The Referee is the wife of Piseev, the head of the Russian federation.
The Technical Controller is Katalin Alpern (ISR) who used to judge for HUN before the breakup of the USSR
Sylwia Nowak-Trebicka is a former ice dancer (in the 90's) from Poland
An all European tech panel where two members are eastern-European will tend to prefer the Russian style.

First of all, the referee has nothing to do with the technical panel and no influence on them. What judges do is separate from what the technical panel does (other than adjusting GOE based on e, < and << calls).

Every single judge is involved with, nominated by and represents their national federation.

Secondly, just because somebody is from Eastern Europe doesn't mean that they 'prefer the Russian style' (whatever that even means). I don't understand the connection you are trying to make here.
 

caitie

Medalist
Joined
Sep 14, 2013
Unlike the TEB Technical Panel, at least the one here does not have any apparent, whether real or perceived, conflict of interests. None of the nations presented here are in the Top 5 at Worlds, in fact, these are fairly low ranking members in the Ice Dance world - I think they will be fairly objective.

Sorry Chuck, if you are looking for "somebody" to put W/P under an ultra-fine microscope a la a woman who shall remain nameless last week, it ain't happening this week.

I still don't understand the conspiracy theories about the supposedly ~dastardly Judy Blumberg...
 
Joined
Jan 22, 2004
Conspiracy theories are not there to be understood. They are to be embraced and if you don't agree, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU BELONG TO THE ILLUMINATI JUST LIKE JUDY BLUMBERG!!!1111!!!!
 

gmyers

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 6, 2010
Most of piseevs power was ended after the catastrophe of Vancouver. He's not the power he once was because he ran dance pairs and men into the ground. Destroyed 3 disciplines of Russian skating. Poland is it's own country now and very anti Russia! That's why the polish woman in considered always pro American and Canadian. Same thing when you see a lithuanian.
 

SimplyLex

On the Ice
Joined
Oct 22, 2013
I will however say Poland, since the 1990s is much more Western aligned than being a Russian satellite. Despite being an Eastern European country, Poland has strongly resisted the Russians in recent years. I don't think they like the Russians any more than the Lithuanians. As for any perceived or real cultural influences based on her upbringing, I doubt it would be significant or material.

Countries like Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary etc. actually like to be considered Central European. They pretty much take naming them Eastern European as an afront.

Poland is it's own country now and very anti Russia!

Poland was never even a part of USSR, so I completely don't get people who still consider it connected to Russia in any way. Newsflash, Poland and Russia do not like each other. Never did, never will.
 

wallylutz

Medalist
Joined
Mar 23, 2010
The Lithuanian judge has NEVER been aligned with the Russians.

That's my point exactly. :rolleye: You assumed the Poles are Russian aligned for some odd reasons, which is very far from the truth. They dislike Russian "influences" as much as the Lithuanians given how Russia has had a tendency to dictate and dominate and some of its former Satellite countries hate it with all their passion. Election of Ms. Gordon-Poltorak of Poland as the head of ISU Ice Dance Technical Committee in lieu of Pissev's wife (RUS) was very much a win for North American Ice Dance.

As recent as the 2009-10 season, when the Ice Dance Chair was a Russian, V/M were getting picked on mid-season for their goose lift with a dedicated ISU Communique denouncing it as being unacceptable without naming them. Everyone within the Ice Dance circle knew the move was political and Scott Moir didn't hide his frustration about that at all by pointing out after 3 major international competitions, including the GPF, nobody said a thing about the lift but all of sudden, the Ice Dance Technical Committee "outlawed" their lift while simultaneously approved Domnina/Shabalin's use of prop in their FD when it was clear the use was to help him lift her, which he otherwise wouldn't be able to due to his injury. V/M were seen as the threat to the Russian 2010 Olympic gold hopeful and therefore, specially targeted through "official channel" like that. At that point, D/W have yet even become World Medalists, so they were spare. All of the above just coincidence...only a 3 year old would believe that.

Fast forward post-Vancouver, Alexander Gorshkov stepped down due to internal turmoil in Russian politics that sidelined Pissev and which got as far as Putin's office, Russia failed to keep the post of head of Ice Dance Committee after the election. When the new Polish Chairwoman took over, she promptly reversed several of her predecessor's decisions, which effectively spelled the end of Domnina/Shabalin's career as Ice Dancers as he would no longer be able to use a prop to lift Oksana Domnina. The Committe doesn't just reverse itself in less than 12 months like that ever, it goes to show the earlier decision to allow Shabalin to compete with a prop was political favortism, pure and simple. Furthermore, you can see the direction she has taken Ice Dance in the last 4 years has pretty much tilted towards Ice Dance being a sport, more athletic and more in lined with traditional ballroom dancing as opposed to everyone-die-on-ice-at-the-end style. All in all, to suggest Poland is somehow still under Russia's sphere of influence is just...um...laughable.
 

elif

Medalist
Joined
Jan 28, 2010
If they can get levels like Skate Canada (better than Virtue/Moir in both programs) its very good. If they can't this is still good, because they can learn from mistakes. Remember the Skate America panel. They did give levels fours like candy too. But the NHK judges were much more strict.
 

sky_fly20

Match Penalty
Joined
Nov 20, 2011
great another conspiracy filled thread:rolleye:
don't worry B/S wont win here, have you seen their programs ? their FD especially is a tragic 80's style with same backward costumes and frantic movements
it wont matter anyways as I/K are Rus No.1 not B/S
 

gmyers

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 6, 2010
That's my point exactly. :rolleye: You assumed the Poles are Russian aligned for some odd reasons, which is very far from the truth. They dislike Russian "influences" as much as the Lithuanians given how Russia has had a tendency to dictate and dominate and some of its former Satellite countries hate it with all their passion. Election of Ms. Gordon-Poltorak of Poland as the head of ISU Ice Dance Technical Committee in lieu of Pissev's wife (RUS) was very much a win for North American Ice Dance.

As recent as the 2009-10 season, when the Ice Dance Chair was a Russian, V/M were getting picked on mid-season for their goose lift with a dedicated ISU Communique denouncing it as being unacceptable without naming them. Everyone within the Ice Dance circle knew the move was political and Scott Moir didn't hide his frustration about that at all by pointing out after 3 major international competitions, including the GPF, nobody said a thing about the lift but all of sudden, the Ice Dance Technical Committee "outlawed" their lift while simultaneously approved Domnina/Shabalin's use of prop in their FD when it was clear the use was to help him lift her, which he otherwise wouldn't be able to due to his injury. V/M were seen as the threat to the Russian 2010 Olympic gold hopeful and therefore, specially targeted through "official channel" like that. At that point, D/W have yet even become World Medalists, so they were spare. All of the above just coincidence...only a 3 year old would believe that.

Fast forward post-Vancouver, Alexander Gorshkov stepped down due to internal turmoil in Russian politics that sidelined Pissev and which got as far as Putin's office, Russia failed to keep the post of head of Ice Dance Committee after the election. When the new Polish Chairwoman took over, she promptly reversed several of her predecessor's decisions, which effectively spelled the end of Domnina/Shabalin's career as Ice Dancers as he would no longer be able to use a prop to lift Oksana Domnina. The Committe doesn't just reverse itself in less than 12 months like that ever, it goes to show the earlier decision to allow Shabalin to compete with a prop was political favortism, pure and simple. Furthermore, you can see the direction she has taken Ice Dance in the last 4 years has pretty much tilted towards Ice Dance being a sport, more athletic and more in lined with traditional ballroom dancing as opposed to everyone-die-on-ice-at-the-end style. All in all, to suggest Poland is somehow still under Russia's sphere of influence is just...um...laughable.

D/S werent going to compete again after Vancouver so the banning of the use of costume in lifting was irrelevent to them because they had already retired. It didn't end his career as it was already over. She could've continued with a new partner but chose to start a family and didn't want compete with anyone but Shabalin. Shabalin was only trying to make it to Vancouver. Costume lifts were used in transitional lifts which were also eliminated. Replaced with chli. You don't see li+trans anymore.

Sure Poland was never a part of USSR but its communist government was imposed by soviet union and it was a satellite but that ended in 1989 and now they're free to be anti Russian in everything! Which is their natural inclination. Its very true that the post Vancouver election of Poland to ice dance chair was totally pro north American and NA taking over.
 

pangtongfan

Match Penalty
Joined
Jun 16, 2010
Well we will see how the event goes. If Weaver & Poje win easily there were probably no politiks at play. If Bobrova & Soloviev are a close 2nd or heaven forbid even win, it obvious there were heavy politiks at play.
 
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