Kaetlyn Osmond, ANY kind of threat?
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so she was injured twice then ? meltdown at 4CC and then another injury at WTT meltdown ?
hard to believe all her injuries were at timing with non home ice
no she was clearly overhyped last season
still recalled the hype that she was the future Canadian in the next season and quadrennial
and how she crushed Sotnikova and Tuk in the rankings who were "finished" and that she was the most promising because she is done with all the growing :disapp:
And she got injured. Still placed 8th in her first Worlds. Hard to live up to hype when injured, or when given just one GP event.
What was Gracie's reason for not living up to her hype and placing "only" 6th at worlds? Not including Nationals, she has had 10 Senior events (not including Nationals) and hasn't won a single event (1 win in 12 events if we include US Nationals).
Even with injuries hampering her, in just 5 senior competitions (not including her Nationals), Osmond has a GP win and Nebelhorn win (4 wins in 8 senior events if we include Nationals).
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competing injured isn't new, so what ?
Julia had 3 injuries last season, competed in LP at TEB with a sprained ankle and still medaled, made the GPF then withdrew after another injury, came back after concussion at Jr Worlds and won silver
she has won a B event, and a GP but her PB is only 176+
easily below Gracie's , Sotnikova's and Julia's PB even for this season
Kaetlyn does 3T+3T in the SP. Lots of other ladies do that, too---there were 8 at Worlds 2013.
But there are some elite ladies who do 3F+3T or 3Z+3T or even 3Z+3Lo, and some of those ladies are capable of getting PCS scores in the 8s. Kaetlyn can get 8s only on home ice.
Kaetlyn is a promising skater and she is fun to watch. But saying she is a medal candidate is a bit much. She is coming back from injury, she hasn't competed internationally since October, and she is performing her FS for the first time before ISU judges. She doesn't have the technical arsenal, and her jump layouts in both SP and FS limit her point potential. Realistically, top 10 would be a good result for her.
But there are some elite ladies who do 3F+3T or 3Z+3T or even 3Z+3Lo, and some of those ladies are capable of getting PCS scores in the 8s. Kaetlyn can get 8s only on home ice.
Kaetlyn is a promising skater and she is fun to watch. But saying she is a medal candidate is a bit much. She is coming back from injury, she hasn't competed internationally since October, and she is performing her FS for the first time before ISU judges. She doesn't have the technical arsenal, and her jump layouts in both SP and FS limit her point potential. Realistically, top 10 would be a good result for her.
I dont recall anyone saying she is a medal candidate going into the games but she could be a top ten skater which would be a good result for her.
Here are the current Seasons Best Short Program scores. I have added YuNa's Golden Spin score because she will surely be one of the top scorers at Sochi.
[73.37] YuNa KIM
73.18 Mao ASADA
72.24 Julia LIPNITSKAIA
69.45 Gracie GOLD
69.26 Ashley WAGNER
68.38 Adelina SOTNIKOVA
67.74 Carolina KOSTNER
66.03 Akiko SUZUKI
61.90 Valentina MARCHEI
60.32 Kaetlyn OSMOND
Polina Edmunds does 3Z+3T, 3F, 2A, so she could potentially score high too.
[73.37] YuNa KIM
73.18 Mao ASADA
72.24 Julia LIPNITSKAIA
69.45 Gracie GOLD
69.26 Ashley WAGNER
68.38 Adelina SOTNIKOVA
67.74 Carolina KOSTNER
66.03 Akiko SUZUKI
61.90 Valentina MARCHEI
60.32 Kaetlyn OSMOND
Polina Edmunds does 3Z+3T, 3F, 2A, so she could potentially score high too.
And here is a better comparison of where these ladies stack against each other from the 2013 Worlds as they were all assessed by the same judging panel :
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2013/SEG003.HTM
1 Q Yuna KIM KOR 69.97 36.79 33.18 8.39 8.07 8.32 8.36 8.32 0.00 #14
2 Q Carolina KOSTNER ITA 66.86 34.01 33.85 8.46 8.21 8.43 8.57 8.64 1.00 #34
3 Q Kanako MURAKAMI JPN 66.64 36.87 29.77 7.57 7.21 7.50 7.54 7.39 0.00 #30
4 Q Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 64.73 35.19 29.54 7.29 7.07 7.50 7.43 7.64 0.00 #9
5 Q Ashley WAGNER USA 63.98 33.06 30.92 7.75 7.57 7.79 7.71 7.82 0.00 #31
6 Q Mao ASADA JPN 62.10 29.70 32.40 8.18 7.86 8.11 8.18 8.18 0.00 #33
7 Q Akiko SUZUKI JPN 61.17 30.71 30.46 7.82 7.50 7.50 7.64 7.61 0.00 #24
8 Q Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS 59.62 30.97 28.65 7.36 6.89 7.18 7.25 7.14 0.00 #26
9 Q Gracie GOLD USA 58.85 30.23 28.62 7.18 6.89 7.25 7.25 7.21 0.00 #21
10 Q Viktoria HELGESSON SWE 58.36 30.73 27.63 7.07 6.68 7.00 6.86 6.93 0.00 #27
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keep bringing up Worlds 2013 held in home ice Canada that was over a year ago
that score is outdated already Sotnikova, Gold and many others easily surpass her in the SP SB/PB already
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agreed, Worlds tahts over a year ago :scratch:
some people keep pushing Osmond as a medal contender
In their dreams probably ?
Osmond is a non factor and a non threat
maybe a Top 10 finisher that's it
Osmond will play a key role in the team event, and will likely emerge from that as an Olympic medalist of some color. That's pretty much guaranteed.
The individual event is far murkier. But to answer the thread question, since the OP didn't specify which event...yes, she is.
Actually, Gracie Gold, Kaetlyn Osmond, and Julia/Adelina may all emerge as Olympic medalists from the team event. It'll be interesting to see if that impacts how the judges view them in the individual event.
The individual event is far murkier. But to answer the thread question, since the OP didn't specify which event...yes, she is.
Actually, Gracie Gold, Kaetlyn Osmond, and Julia/Adelina may all emerge as Olympic medalists from the team event. It'll be interesting to see if that impacts how the judges view them in the individual event.
Well, obviously not changed enough and relevant enough given that's what USFS relied on mostly to send Wagner to Sochi over Nagasu.
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Sorry I forgot Korpi wont be at the Games. Still hard to believe as she so clearly belongs there, and it was a set of fluke circumstances why she isnt. I did not say for sure Li and Polina would beat Osmond if they all skated cleanly, I just they could or might. These all clean competitions will never happen anyway, so they are a pointless discussion to begin with, and the orders arent as definite as many project them to be too as when a number of skaters are close many things could come into play if they all skate cleanish or with similar mistakes (opinions of panel, performance level, a shaky landing or two, momentum, location, federation backing level at a given time). Either way I am pretty sure all of Kim, Asada, Kostner, Gold, Sotnikova, Lipnitskaia, Wagner, Suzuki, and Murakami would beat Osmond if they all skate clean, so I was genuinely curious which 3 skaters the poster I responded to believe would skate cleanly and lose to a clean Osmond. Kim, Asada, and Kostner are obviously out. Since Olympics are in Russia Julia and Adelina are obviously out (and yes I know outside of Canada they probably would right now anyway, but in Russia it is even more a certainty). So does someone actually think a clean Osmond would beat Wagner, Murakami, and even 1 of Suzuki or Gold. Frankly I find that incredible that anyone would think this, especialy the latter two, seeing the level both just showed everyone they were capable of skating at when they do skate cleanly very recently. If everyone skates cleanly Osmond certainly wont be 7th. If she herself skates cleanly she probably will finish something like 7th though, simply because as I said the everyone skating cleanly is a fantasy thing anyway.
Osmond would have won the Pewter Medalist in the US with those skates, and had trouble breaking into the Top 10 in Russia against their army of phenom junior skaters. She'd probably have been 4-5th at Japanese Nationals with those skates.
Top Skaters in Sochi have nothing to worry about regarding KO as long as they are relatively clean.
If they make mistakes then KO deserves to beat them if they are clean and she's able to rack up the points to do it, and that is as it should be...
KO is not known for her consistency, though.
She stood up at Nationals, but those skates were sloppy and shaky, and they are not well laid-out from a points perspective. Her jumps and spins are not first rate. Her speed and edges are good, but she gives off a sloppy vibe as she skates around. Everything seems unfinished and rushed, and I think there are a lot of better choices of music that she could have skated to...
Also, I'm not sure how great her "prospects for the future" are, because we see what is going to come out of Russia as we move towards 2018, and the US has some nice Junior (or newly Senior) skaters as well (Edmunds, Karen Chen coming up).
I think a lot of the skaters who progress past Sochi are probably going to have a rude awakening when one the next generation starts to move up to the senior ranks in droves.
Top Skaters in Sochi have nothing to worry about regarding KO as long as they are relatively clean.
If they make mistakes then KO deserves to beat them if they are clean and she's able to rack up the points to do it, and that is as it should be...
KO is not known for her consistency, though.
She stood up at Nationals, but those skates were sloppy and shaky, and they are not well laid-out from a points perspective. Her jumps and spins are not first rate. Her speed and edges are good, but she gives off a sloppy vibe as she skates around. Everything seems unfinished and rushed, and I think there are a lot of better choices of music that she could have skated to...
Also, I'm not sure how great her "prospects for the future" are, because we see what is going to come out of Russia as we move towards 2018, and the US has some nice Junior (or newly Senior) skaters as well (Edmunds, Karen Chen coming up).
I think a lot of the skaters who progress past Sochi are probably going to have a rude awakening when one the next generation starts to move up to the senior ranks in droves.
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Let's see...Osmond's first real major competition this year and she gets a 136 in her long and a total over 208, with two strong programs completed with power and stamina. What a competitor!! If memory serves me, I remember seeing Gold's long program for first time this season at Skate Canada - an error filled fiasco and a near caridac arrest at the end.
Given her injuries Kaetlyn looked amazing and will only get stronger as she fully recovers.
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Worlds was in March of last year, actually. So, UNDER a year ago.
And people love to refer to Plushenko's Euros 2012 skate way more than a year after the fact to suggest his current form, so I don't see why we can't do the same with Osmond.
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This is true. Osmond might end up being an Olympic gold medalist before Julia/Adelina.
I wonder if Daleman is doing either team event? If Canada wants to push for gold, probably not.
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Slipchuk has already said openly that Chan and Reynolds are splitting programs, the top 2 pairs are, and that Virtue & Moir and Osmond will do both programs. Sad that Weaver & Poje are not being included especialy as they could easily do the short dance and Canada would lose little or nothing. Reynolds doing 1 of the mens programs seems risky and unwise. If he doesnt land all his quads cleanly he can beaten easily by any decent skater. Slipchuk said he wanted Chan to be rested and put all his focus into getting Canada's first mens Olympic Gold, but why wouldnt Virtue & Moir going for their historic 2nd be given the same consideration (and yes I know the dance is after the mens but it isnt that big a difference), and when Canada has a much stronger 2nd entry in dance than mens. Isnt the Team Gold one of the biggest goals for Canada. I hope something changes and this changes by the event.
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