Can Lipnitskaya close the gap on Mao & Kim in time for the Olympics?
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I think you do not understand the COP. The so called "clean" means a lot to the naked eyes. of course it is indeed important, but aside from a fact that what appears to be clean does not mean it is "clean" - there are many sub-contents need to be cleared - the COP does not operate that way. Even if you manage to perform without visible flaws, you are not automatically considered to win, or vice versa. Under the COP everything is compartmentalized and sectored; your failure of triple lutz wouldn't affect your triple axel. Moreover your fall on principle does not affect your PCS even if some judges will reflect it on the board. Instead you will get -1 mandatory deduction on that. Now what is critical in COP is your damage control. You may not like it but that's how the judging system works. The winner will be one who minimizes his damage and maximizes his merit in both TES and PCS. Your suggestion is only valid when those competitors are in equal level in every aspect of skating, which is not the case, unfortunately.
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New article entitled: 'Lipnitskaia eyes Lipinski Olympic record'. Reads:-
A somewhat misleading title. As I pointed out in my initial post:
However, its frightening to think that when Tara Lipinski won the Olympic title on the 20th February 1998, Julia Lipnitskaya had not yet even been born. She was born on the 5th June 1998 - 105 days after Tara's Opympic win. Doesn't time fly....!
A somewhat misleading title. As I pointed out in my initial post:
However, its frightening to think that when Tara Lipinski won the Olympic title on the 20th February 1998, Julia Lipnitskaya had not yet even been born. She was born on the 5th June 1998 - 105 days after Tara's Opympic win. Doesn't time fly....!
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For her age, her artistry is fine. It's not even close to as refined as Mao, Sotnikova, Kostner or Kim but I remember Mao's 2010 Olympic skates being wayyy too grown up for her, and thinking that she was trying so hard to project maturity that she doesn't have. At least her SP & LP are "age-appropriate", if you will. Her jumps aren't the best in the world, but they are usually fully rotated, and she is consistent. Lipinski didn't have big jumps either, but she certainly went for exceedingly high difficulty and performed well.
Wow, I remember it was the first OG I watched it. And it is scary that is Lipinski and Lipintskaya too .
If Julia wins, then great. Kim and Asada finishing behind her? I kind of don't give a damn anymore.
All I can say is that what makes skating great for me is that we have watched Kim, Asada, Kostner and Suzuki develop, stumble, grow and earn their merits through hard work and a very long and sustained competitive career. Julia has the potential to take over where these ladies will leave off, but if she wins, my fear would be that there's no way up for her. An OGM at 15 would be hitting the ceiling and she's only been a senior for two seasons.
Needless to say, I wish all the ladies the best.
All I can say is that what makes skating great for me is that we have watched Kim, Asada, Kostner and Suzuki develop, stumble, grow and earn their merits through hard work and a very long and sustained competitive career. Julia has the potential to take over where these ladies will leave off, but if she wins, my fear would be that there's no way up for her. An OGM at 15 would be hitting the ceiling and she's only been a senior for two seasons.
Needless to say, I wish all the ladies the best.
But it is improbable, Yuna and Katarina are rare cases.
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Of course, never say never. But Chapis's assertion is fair and reasonable based on track record. The hype over Julia is just an illusion, just as Suzuki earned in Japan nationals over 210, or Osmond won national with 207 or something. People begin to think they are all too good not to clinch the podium. the word of wisdom: skaters do not become a phenom over night. What is really annoying is that the current ISU judging trend deludes people with big number without content. Remember the 2013 Worlds, the standing won't change much in Sochi as well as the gap between top rankers and the followers.
Well, yes and no. Yu Na only does 6 triples; Julia does 7. Yu Na's jumps are better--they are better than anyone else's--but Julia has better spins and her long program is more engaging. Julia clean will score high--probably as high as Yu Na--on performance and interpretation. It would be close, overall. Yu Na would probably still win based on the GOE on her jumps and she probably gets the edge on PCS. But this would be one that would be argued about for a long time, just like Kwan and Lipinski.
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Yuna's LP is amazing. No one can beat it if its skated to perfection. The only negatives in it are easily outweighed by her jumps amazing step up and crisp landings. Factor in her superb artistry and the table is set. I must admit the first couple times I watched I found myself wondering away at times. After watching it a few more times it really drew me in and has become one of my favorite FS's out there. Is it possible this happens to judges? By that I mean could Yuna lay down a performance that is superior only in hindsight? I think so and REALLY REALLY hope not. I want the best skater in Sochi to win as I suspect most who are involved in this sport will too. To me it's between Yuna,Mao,Julia,Adelina, and Suzuki(in any order with all DESERVING and easily being capable). I think a clean Julia could/would/should be neck and neck with Mao. I kinda thought Mao was over scored at GPF but let's not go there.
I strongly feel whoever wins will score around 209 with second and third being tight at 202'ish. I think we know who can achieve these scores. Lets go girls!!! Can't wait another second!!!
I strongly feel whoever wins will score around 209 with second and third being tight at 202'ish. I think we know who can achieve these scores. Lets go girls!!! Can't wait another second!!!
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Ven- I mean no disrespect but the way you attack, attack, attack reminds me of a certain persons FS. This line of thought seems to be the very one people on panels and in federations use to "inflate" scores. I just don't find it helpful. I do love your passion and take it with a grain of salt. I just think you could relax a bit and just enjoy what is sure to be an amazing show. I for one will be crying if a spastic tornado sweeps up the hearts of the whole world to the soundtrack of yet another standing ovation. There, I too have said it. Best wishes!!
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Make no sense, sorry.
How can the clean Yuna win over clean Julia would be argued??????
Instead, if the clean Julia win over clean Yuna that will be a huge upset for skating world, no matter how inflated home ice could scored
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ItaMake no sense, sorry.
How can the clean Yuna win over clean Julia would be argued??????
Instead, if the clean Julia win over clean Yuna that will be a huge upset for skating world, no matter how inflated home ice could scored
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